First off.

FACT;

The mind is not subject to space or the concept of time.

To off the skeptical in regards to this. I ask said skeptic to remember their childhood...

How many years did it take for you to remember 10/20(+) years ago? It took you a fraction of a second and I'll quote most in the saying, "It felt like just the other day when...".

Now, if someone is in a coma for years do they have the experience of that time passing or do they, as we sleep and wake up, simply wake up remembering the time before falling comatose, albeit shady prehaps, the person will have no account of spending years in a bed being drip fed - The mind is not subject to the concept of time.

Now, what does your office desk/bedroom look like?... Did you have to get a bus to travel there and see it or did you, in a fraction of a second, envision your office desk/bedroom as you left it? Your mind isn't restricted to the confines of your cranium - Ie, it isn't subject to space at all.

So... is it possible to distort time? Is it possible to teleport in some way prehaps emulating the fact that the mind is not confined to such boundaries?

*Had to eddit on a pda.

Opinions?

You say the mind is not subject to the concept of time but then you ask is it possible to distort time.

So does it exist or not? Or are you asking can you go beyond time? To the time before time/lol.

Interesting also is perception of time and wether it's constant for all living things. Consider video cameras and frame rates. The moving picture is a progression of stills. Increase the number and you increase the fluidity of the picture but more importantly you can slow it down more. That's how we take pictures of explosions and falling rain in super slow motion.
Now think about flys and flying bugs. It's been speculated that they have eyes and brains with a faster frame rate than humans so they actually see in slow motion. So then to a fly is a falling drop of water truly slowor is their perception of time fast and time a constant?



As for teleportation that brings up the question of self and what is "you". You apparently have a soul and a self. But imagine if we beamed up by teleportation (Star Trek style) and your molecules were sampled into a binary pattern and then disintegrated with the pattern being sent to a reciever which remade you from local molecules. Which is you? The you that existed in the sending machine or the you in the reciever? Both? Okay but then what if the signal was sent to two recievers and they both reconstructed you from the pattern. Which is "you" now?
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Exactly. Who is being transported. Star Trek being what it is/ neither entertained the concept of a being consisting of more than physical molecules. Even if the science was available it would be an "interesting" experiment. Prove a few theories one way or the other.

Hypothetically time travel is possible.

If a spaceship travels at the speed of light and you were on the spaceship tying your laces, the time it takes for you to tie your laces is 'normal time', say 10 seconds for example.

From an observer on the earth's surface watching you tie your laces (assuming it's possible to observe), the time taken for you to tie your laces would be in a matter of hours. You in the spaceship have effectively travelled forward into time. Time travel has been proven experimentally in an aircraft, but this only involved moving forward in time in a matter of nano seconds.

Whoever it was that said time is not fixed is spot on. Distance is not fixed either.

Travelling back in time isa much more complex issue.

Teleportation? Come on now, let's be realistic.

tobitrice wrote: It's been done already... with photons at least.

[quote=Apedemak;1421180]First off.

FACT;

The mind is not subject to space or the concept of time.


My view is that the rational/conscious mind makes sense of space and time and the subconscious mind doesn't 'behave' in accordance with the rules of linear time or care about it either. Having said that memories are stored in the sub-concsious mind and the rational mind has to access the subconscious mind to access information about the past.

In terms of time travel, we are familiar with the notion of Seer/Prophets. They are able to over-ride linear time rules and experience what they 'see' as if it were in the here and now.

It could be argues that the only thing that is, is the here and npw even if projecting into the 'future'.

Just my thoughts

Fem

Sorry. Some shady examples there, PDA phones aren't what they're bragged up to be.

.lol.

Theres a diffrence between the mind and the body, the body is in the here and now, the mind is not limited to the body and can be anywhere at any time. A topic about the mind and its (mostly dormant) capabilities would be intresting. It leans into dimensional theory but it has to be possible to emulate things the mind can do and impose them on the body.

Exactly.

To get into things, which I was avoiding, astral travel is simply the act of recognising ones control over the mind while the body is asleep, allowing the rational mind to maintain control over the 'subconsiouss' as it were.

Now whats the diffrence between a persons dreams and reality... Does common / shared thought hold thought forms and constitute the make up of what we call the here and now, the material? Can the lines between ones dreams and reality be purposely blurred and used to this effect?

Ie; Having the consioussness leave the body as it does every night and downloading ones physical attributes into that plane? Prehaps a machine that aids in this process working on certain brainwave patterns and aiding a person in 'recovering' while the body is operating on a diffrent level as T.W mentioned. If the mind is our consiouss thoughts, past memories, self image and so on then its simply the transferrance of matter from one place to another. Take a page from the bible and self realise kind of thing .lol.

Asked this before as well, if a person was to spend 10 years in space... how old would they be on return? Not just hypothetically, they wouldn't be subject to the earths rotating on its own axis or to the aging effects of gravity... Aging is when the cells of the body begin to break down and go 'south' due to the force of gravity, in space they may 'age' but without the force of gravity they wouldn't grow weak, the skin would still be taught, joints and so on wouldn't be so battered. The aging process in space would be a completely diffrent experience. Would be intresting to see how a child raised on a space station develops, both in learning and in general.

Have to disagree with your intial statement. This is more philosophy now, but the human mind is an integral part of both time and space. Quantum Mechanics teaches us that the observer of any system is just as important as the constituents of the system. Now even though most rules of QM break down as the energy involved becomes higher (i.e. things get bigger) this one has never been fully ruled out...

I agree that the mind is not of the physical plane and that the time in terms of frequency is completely different on the spiritual or mental plane. On the mental plane you can access all recordings of life experiences that have passed and some that are to come. This is a diferrent kind of time that has a higher concept than how our conscious sees it.

The time it takes to retrieve the information is a different kind of time. This is the perceived “real” time that we are given. We go by the Gregorian calendar, which was adopted to try and fit in with the planned Christian doctrine to acknowledge so called memorable occasions that the Romans and then of course other Europeans felt to be important e.g. Easter.

The dates are altered because the position of the sun as we move through the earth cycles does not quite match with their plans LOL so they’ve jigged it up to fit in with their story. This of course creates an illusion of time as we know it. A second/minute/hour/day/week etc is no longer as we once knew it. We don't change the clocks forward and back and have inconsistent numbers of days a month by chance.

You will find out more about teleportation by looking up the Montauk Project, which involved several other projects. The first was Project Rainbow, which was carried out in 1940 where a whole ship was made invisible but did not have any crew. The electromagnetic fields were too dangerous and Nikola Tesla (the man leading on the project) advised that crew should NOT be on board because it was not safe and work on the project was incomplete.

This didn’t stop them though and in 1943 invisibility project became the Philadelphia Experiment. This was a US Navy funded project that made a ship named the USS Eldridge disappear including it’s crew members, f