Can the moderators transfer the discussion that I started with RLB in the thread "can you be pro black and still be with a partner from another group" here so that it does not detract from the intended impetus of the thread aforementioned. Thank you.

As a physical enitity - the ovewhelming scientific agreement is that time does exist however its existence is relative in nature like that of many other physical quatities with the exception of the speed of light (the only constant in the physical universe).

Infact the process of ticking of time is so dependent on the speed of light that the more one approaches the the 3 x 100 million m/s (speed of light) the slower the ticking process occurs. Infact if one is able to to reach this speed of light - scientists believe that time will come to stand still (and the concept of time as we know it will cease to exist). However there are physical limitations which makes it next to impossible to reach the speed of light.

Above is what Einstein concluded when he put forward the theory of relatiivity.

Scientist are also of the opinion that time came into existence during the big bang we the universe opened the 4 physical dimensions. Three of space and one of time.

A simple answer to your question is that time does exist in the state tht we live in and not only does it exist qualitatively but it can also be quantified.

regards flow-unclever

time is an illusion..

Can time be seen?

Or is the affect time has on matter proof that it indeed exist?

I'm not a believer in the big bang (and as I understand it Mr Hawking has his doubts as to how correct the theory actually is)

I view science for the most part as the attempt of humanity to create the illusion that their reality is of more importance than and rules of nature. An example would be saying that time is relative in nature rather than saying humans understand and percieve it to be relative in nature. Nature is, science and man are products of nature that do not actually know nature but percieve it.

If one moved at the speed of light, it would not be surprising that humans would percieve movement to stop, but it wouldn't make it a reality that it did. I believe science needs to learn to separate what humans percieve and what actually is regardless of human's existence. All things move regardless of human's existence. They move at different speeds. If we percieve them not to move or to move means nothing to nature, nature simply is.

But I agree, time exists and is a representation of how we percieve movement. I however believe time exists regardless of how we percieve it as movement exists regardless of how we percieve it. The tree that falls in a forest where nobody is there to see it, does fall and it may take about 10 seconds to fall to the ground making a mighty sound when it does. It is the thought of a human who believes in the supremacy of his perception as a necessity for existence (A serious god complex) who believes that the tree never fell, time didn't exist there and it didn't make a sound.

Hotep

If you died, would an apple still fall from a tree and take what we percieved to be 5 seconds to do so? Or is it that the existence of movement depends solely on your existence and perception?

When a child reaches the age of two after having played peek-a-boo for the majority of their life and being content, they realise that just because they can't see something, it doesn't mean it is not there and it no longer makes them smile.

Does George Bush exist despite the fact that you have only seen images of him and heard a voice that may or may not be his?

Does existence depend on your sight?

Time doesn't affect matter, matter determines time. Time is a representation of movement, all matter moves. Time represents the movement of matter. The past is the concept of matter that has moved in a pattern that can now be determined and can never be changed. Present is the concept of a position that matter is in at the very moment before it moves to a position that we do not know. Future is the concept of matter being existent in and moving in a place that it has not yet reached (which is a concept that didn't exist for Africans as they did not believe in movement that may or may not come as concrete).

If matter did not exist, time could not exist. If the concept of time did not exist, that would have no affect on matter being in existence and moving continually.

time does not affect matter.....

sit an apple in a box. leave it for a time determined one second or one million seconds.

will the matter (apple) be affected differently by these incurments of time?

Sorry I misread you. I now see what you were trying to say.

I thought you meant something else.

You are indeed correct.

Time exist but its mostly used to clock productivity.

That is where I see problems with time.

How long youth last?

How long summer last?

How long I have to work?

What time I have to get up?

What time I have to sleep?

Do I have time to take a quick nap?

Can I beat this former record in time - like eating more hot dogs?

Time is being used for very wacky things in our societies.

Also how we measure it in seconds minutes hours days months years might have to change.

We are trying to measure in it atomically.

Atoms have half life or something of that effect.

Read your post with interest.

now the very foundation of science as a body of knowledge is to study/obsreve, analyse, and quantify what are shared human experiences. Where ime falls into that category. Irrespective of sometimes arrogant behaviour of the so called scientists to corrupt the very essence of the above principle.

Unfortunately human arrogance seems to go hand in hand with knowledge which is sought for sincere goals. But this is another argument.

I have attempted to use science to explain the concept of time because science has proved to be mostly accurate and sometimes very elegant in explaining what are shared experiences and time falls into that category. That is, it is very good in explaining what are mostly objective experiences. However like many things in life - some have objective as well as subjective dimension and it is this ''subjective'' dimension which is causing problems to scienmtists.

So science's failure to explain what is missed by the general human experience or shall we say by the majority human observation only demonstrates what is one of the limitations o what is generally a very powerful area of learning. science may not have all answers to everything but the things which it has been able to answer it has done so magnificently. Though I am among those who appreciate its limitations.

If you were a believer in God - this would make you appreciate the limitations of all things other than God since he is the original of all things and the power of everything else is only relative to everything else but insignificant to His power. And this iw where muslims testify that there is only One power, One might, one Origin, One unique God.

Same God who has created science and gave it the ability to make us better understand the physical world we live in.


Regards flow-unclever


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1. Apple will be in contact with micr oorganism such as bacteria whose action through a passge of time will cause the pplae's state chemical/physical to change.

2. If able to keep away the micro organism the dead cells thsat makes up the apple will lose its capacity to retain its components over the passage of time.

3. Living and the dead are affected by passage of time.

Regards flow.................
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