Marxism-Leninism and Nkrumahism - Page 3

meknow · (#51 (**permalink**))

abd, have you been listening at all? you are so bent in your determination to make every one a muslim that you miss the big picture.

what have i said about palestine? check and find out. i have never been for jews killing palestinians or visa versa. it is equally as wrong on either side. but you made a statement that honors the violence. in your first diatribe and third paragraph you stated that there can be no peace under certain circumstances. if you represent the palestinians you are no better than the israelis.

you still want to compare the bible with the koran when there is none abd. jehovah and allah are not the same. you even claim that muslims at one time used the bible. hahahahhahahahahha

nearly 40 different writers over 1000s of years and you can only yell and scream that someone changed scriptures with not one iota of proof. and you have the audacity to lie on the bible being changed and one of your muslim brothers has already said that the koran is looked at every so often and rewritten as needed to conform with the times. Mrmuhhammed.

lets see the word servent is not in those scriptures...hmmmmm what do maids do abd?

abdurratln · (#52 (**permalink**))

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abd, have you been listening at all? you are so bent in your determination to make every one a muslim that you miss the big picture.

GOD is the big picture.

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what have i said about palestine? check and find out. i have never been for jews killing palestinians or visa versa. it is equally as wrong on either side.

Garbage. Who started the fight? Palestinians did not go to New York and kick Jews out and take Jeiwsh property and land. If they did, than Jews would have every right to resist and fight back. And, I would have every right to support the Jews. And, I would support the jews. Just as I support Ethiopian right to resist Muslim attacks against them, I would support any people who defend their homes, families and property.

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but you made a statement that honors the violence.

Muslims are not pussies committed to irrational non-violence and pacifism. I have never claimed otherwise. The bible teaches us an eye for an eye, etc. This is Justice.

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in your first diatribe and third paragraph you stated that there can be no peace under certain circumstances. if you represent the palestinians you are no better than the israelis.

I represent what GOD has Commanded of us: Justice and Fair-Play. It is wrong for Muslims to impose injustice and it is wrong for zionists or anyone else to impose imjustice.

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you still want to compare the bible with the koran

Absolutely not. If you have been paying attention which I doubt, you would know by now that there is nothing copmparable to Qur'an, not even The bible.

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when there is none abd. jehovah and allah are not the same.

I will not try to define what you mean by Jehovah. But, Allah is the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD.

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you even claim that muslims at one time used the bible. hahahahhahahahahha

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nearly 40 different writers over 1000s of years and you can only yell and scream that someone changed scriptures with not one iota of proof.

The proof is in the pudding. Every contradiction in The Bible is proof that it has been changed because GOD does not contradict Himself. Common Sense. The dumbest Christian in the world can figure this much out.

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and you have the audacity to lie on the bible being changed and one of your muslim brothers has already said that the koran is looked at every so often and rewritten as needed to conform with the times. Mrmuhhammed.

Brother Muhammad has not indicated to me that he is a true Muslim who adheres to Islamic Traditions. For all I know, he is a fake Muslim. As a general rule, one cannot know if another is a MUslim or not until the two pray together. It is during prayer that every Muslim always affrims his Shahada. Thus, by praying together, we all know who is and whio is not a Muslim. So, do not confuse me with anyone who claims to be a Muslim unless I affirm that he is a Muslim.

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lets see the word servent is not in those scriptures...hmmmmm what do maids do abd?

Maids in modern America are not slaves or second class citenzens who have no rights. Why would you suppose that that was the case under GOD's Law? Clearly GOD has said Let my people go. So, it is not too far fatched to assume that a maid under Father Abraham and Sarah (Peace and Blessings be upon them both) was a servant without rights as you propose. To prove this, we need only read that one verse. In that verse, Mother Hagar (Peace and Blessings be upon her) is called wife. Thus, she has all of the legal rights of a wife. It is an outrageous lie that is repeated all too often by Christians that Mother Hagar was a servant, or a slave, or concubine when The Bible clearly says that she was a wife. Enven if she had been a slave or servant, under Islamic Law shge would still have certain GOD-giiven rigjhts that no man could take away. Bersides, Ishmael was Abarham's eldest son, the First Born of Many Nations. Ishmael was absolutely NOT a servant. His rank was even higher than that of Issac. This is why Sarah allowed evil to confuse her such that she attempted to reverse GOD'S Will in much the same way that Mother Eve allowed the snake to confuse her about GOD's Commands. (Peace and Blessings be upon all of the prophets and prohetesses) In any case, Zam Zam proves that GOD wanted things as they are because GOD not only allowed Mother Hagar to bear Father Ishmael. when evil tried to destroy Ishmael, GOD stepped in and saved him by giving him water. And, we have concrete proof thast this happened. The prrof is seen every year during the Islaimic Pilgrimnage to Mecca and Medina, called al-Hajj. GOD-willing, I shall perform al-Hajj this year. All types of Perfect Praise is due to Alllah and Only too Allah.

Go figure.

umbrarchist · (#53 (**permalink**))

Does any of this religion crap have anything to do with the topic?

Maybe Black Christians and Muslims can't be Afrocentric because they can't figure out what is important. The continent of Africa isn't going to heaven no matter what.

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meknow · (#54 (**permalink**))

sorry umbrachist, this fool is so full of himself until it is hard to resist pointing out his hipocrasy.

in one instance he is quoting the bible "let my people go" and expousing love for the prophets and the next he is wanting to burn it and in dispute with what the prophets say.

i do understand that non believers find this inane but i will defend my belief as sternly as an atheist his. it matters to me.

meknow · (#55 (**permalink**))

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GOD is the big picture.

Garbage. Who started the fight? Palestinians did not go to New York and kick Jews out and take Jeiwsh property and land. If they did, than Jews would have every right to resist and fight back. And, I would have every right to support the Jews. And, I would support the jews. Just as I support Ethiopian right to resist Muslim attacks against them, I would support any people who defend their homes, families and property.

Muslims are not pussies committed to irrational non-violence and pacifism. I have never claimed otherwise. The bible teaches us an eye for an eye, etc. This is Justice. [who said muslims are pussies? no one but you has suggested it]

I represent what GOD has Commanded of us: Justice and Fair-Play. It is wrong for Muslims to impose injustice and it is wrong for zionists or anyone else to impose imjustice.

Absolutely not. If you have been paying attention which I doubt, you would know by now that there is nothing copmparable to Qur'an, not even The bible.

stupid man you quote the bible a little farther down, man up your mind, do you believe that the bible is relavent or not

I will not try to define what you mean by Jehovah. But, Allah is the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD. good you would only prove your ignorance a tad more stupid man

The proof is in the pudding. Every contradiction in The Bible is proof that it has been changed because GOD does not contradict Himself. Common Sense. The dumbest Christian in the world can figure this much out.

Brother Muhammad has not indicated to me that he is a true Muslim who adheres to Islamic Traditions. For all I know, he is a fake Muslim. As a general rule, one cannot know if another is a MUslim or not until the two pray together. It is during prayer that every Muslim always affrims his Shahada. Thus, by praying together, we all know who is and whio is not a Muslim. So, do not confuse me with anyone who claims to be a Muslim unless I affirm that he is a Muslim. haaa a good example of your hipocrasy stupid man...you now judge mrmuhammed as not being a muslim as if you are even qualified to do so and yet you continually blame everyone who is white or european or a non muslim as being a renagade christian. in a case of a dispute between muslims, you certainly don't have anything to be automatically right than the other muslim. you are self righteous stupid man

Maids in modern America are not slaves or second class citenzens who have no rights. Why would you suppose that that was the case under GOD's Law? Clearly GOD has said Let my people go. So, it is not too far fatched to assume that a maid under Father Abraham and Sarah (Peace and Blessings be upon them both) was a servant without rights as you propose. To prove this, we need only read that one verse. In that verse, Mother Hagar (Peace and Blessings be upon her) is called wife. Thus, she has all of the legal rights of a wife. It is an outrageous lie that is repeated all too often by Christians that Mother Hagar was a servant, or a slave, or concubine when The Bible clearly says that she was a wife. Enven if she had been a slave or servant, under Islamic Law shge would still have certain GOD-giiven rigjhts that no man could take away. Bersides, Ishmael was Abarham's eldest son, the First Born of Many Nations. Ishmael was absolutely NOT a servant. His rank was even higher than that of Issac. This is why Sarah allowed evil to confuse her such that she attempted to reverse GOD'S Will in much the same way that Mother Eve allowed the snake to confuse her about GOD's Commands. (Peace and Blessings be upon all of the prophets and prohetesses) In any case, Zam Zam proves that GOD wanted things as they are because GOD not only allowed Mother Hagar to bear Father Ishmael. when evil tried to destroy Ishmael, GOD stepped in and saved him by giving him water. And, we have concrete proof thast this happened. The prrof is seen every year during the Islaimic Pilgrimnage to Mecca and Medina, called al-Hajj. GOD-willing, I shall perform al-Hajj this year. All types of Perfect Praise is due to Alllah and Only too Allah.

Go figure.

stupid man, who said that she had no rights or priviledges? no one suggested it but you. i only said as you did about God asking pharoah to free his people that the bible said she was a maid which is a servant either way you look at it. i meant nothing derogatory about it stupid man. just pointing out the facts.

abdurratln · (#56 (**permalink**))

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Does any of this religion crap have anything to do with the topic?

Not much. I told Meknow from ther beginning that this stuff should be discussed un der Black Teheology, not here. But, I think he is hellbent on discrediting me because I am nt a Christian fanatic, I am a Muslim; as if a Muslim cannot have a political ideology or ideas that non-Muslims share. It just the same old non-sense: the Christian Crusades against Islam.

The one ting about religion in this topisc is that Karl Marx was an ex-Jew who was an atheist as compared to Nkrumah who was a believing Christian and Sekou Toure who was a practricing Muslim. Nkrumahism-Toureism thus provers that Christians and Muslims can unite against the enemy. That is, we can unite when we have not been barin-wasged by the Evangelical cults and the Christian Right/Left.

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Maybe Black Christians and Muslims can't be Afrocentric because they can't figure out what is important. The continent of Africa isn't going to heaven no matter what.

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To the contrary, Africa is the Garden of Eden. The Bible proves this. The Garden of Eden is not Heaven. But, it is the closest thing to Heaven on earth. Berlieve me.

abdurratln · (#57 (**permalink**))

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stupid man

I underastand why you have to resort to insults. It is not at all unususal to see Christina fanatics, hypocrites and crusaders loose their cool when they actually come face to face with a Muslim.

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you quote the bible a little farther down, man up your mind, do you believe that the bible is relavent or not

Genesis 16:3 (Whole Chapter)
So Sarai, Abram’s wife, took Hagar the Egyptian servant and gave her to Abram as a wife. (This happened ten years after Abram had settled in the land of Canaan.)
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haaa a good example of your hipocrasy stupid man...you now judge mrmuhammed as not being a muslim

Wrong. I simply explained to you that you, a Christian, cannot tell us, Muslims, who is and who is not a Muslim. Only Muslims can do that.

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as if you are even qualified to do so and yet you continually blame everyone who is white or european or a non muslim as being a renagade christian.

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Well actually, I judge you to be a fanatic, a hypocrite, a liar and a crusader.

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stupid man, who said that she had no rights or priviledges? no one suggested it but you. i only said as you did about God asking pharoah to free his people that the bible said she was a maid which is a servant either way you look at it. i meant nothing derogatory about it stupid man. just pointing out the facts.

I do not know what you meant. But, I can read a little and this is what The Bible said:

Genesis 16:3 (Whole Chapter)
So Sarai, Abram’s wife, took Hagar the Egyptian servant and gave her to Abram as a wife. (This happened ten years after Abram had settled in the land of Canaan.)

Mother Hagar was Father Abraham's wife (Peace and Blessings be upon tghem both). W-I-F-E Like it or not.

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He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.- Solomon's Proverb 26:17

If you had enough sense to pay as much attention to Genesis as you obviously pay to Proverbs, you would be better off.

meknow · (#58 (**permalink**))

umbrachist, how do you feel about hegel and kant?

I enjoy philosophy even reading atheist. they fiddle around trying to eplain God away becuse of pride usually.

I heard that marx converted just before death.

I liked reading H spencer also, but my favorite philosopher was JJ Rousseau the first hippie.

meknow · (#59 (**permalink**))

abd, i have no reason to want to discredit or show you up. if it looks like so it is because what you teach and preach are such.

once again you will not find a post where i said any muslim was not a muslim. i don't know what a muslim is except for what you say.

i would like to know a bit about ya'll.

what about death? Paradise?

what about sin.

is it a fallacy that the west is perpetrating when they say muslims who die in a holy war gets so many virgins in paradise?

abdurratln · (#60 (**permalink**))

First of all, I want everybody to know how I appreciate a positive and constructive tone of discourse. I am not here to push Islam. My purpose is political. We need to unite on on political and economic basises regardless of our various sects. There are so many diverse sects among us until if we had to rely on sects alone, we could never find a basis for Unity.

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=meknow;1467102]abd, i have no reason to want to discredit or show you up. if it looks like so it is because what you teach and preach are such.

I preach Unity. It is a fact that Islam is based on Unity, the Unity of GOD, first and foremost. Furthermore, it violates Islamic principles for any Muslim to push or force Islam on anybody at any time. If we discuss Islam at all, it only because you insist on it.

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once again you will not find a post where i said any muslim was not a muslim. i don't know what a muslim is except for what you say.

Yaeh. And, because you are a Christian, yoy will not tell me who is a Muslim. Only Muslims can decide that under GOD's Guidance. Not you.

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i would like to know a bit about ya'll.

what about death? Paradise?

All men die. After death, all men shall be called back to life to answer for their deeds. Even dry bones shall be made to live again. Those you are pleasing before the Judgement of Seat of GOD shall enter paradise. Those who displease Him shall enter hellfire.

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what about sin.

Muslims struggle to avoid sin. This struggle is known as jihad. Thus, we see jihad against the sins inflicted upon the Palestinians. We see jihad against the sins of desecration of the Holy Shrines of Arabia.

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is it a fallacy that the west is perpetrating when they say muslims who die in a holy war gets so many virgins in paradise?

Personally, I have never heard any Muslim make such a claim. I have searched throughout Qur'an and The Bible and I have never seen anything to that effect. To my mind, this is just another propaganda lie against Islam and Muslims. The main thing to understand is that there are so many lies directed against Semites which include Jews, against Semites who include Arabs and Berbers and Africans, against Muslims and islam, against all those who truly believe in GOD and the Last Day.

meknow · (#61 (**permalink**))

abd dear boy, were you to honestly take a look at the dialogues we have engaged in you will not find an instance where i attacked islam.

i have asked questions and raised concerns but never attacked islam.

i have defended your statements against christainity and unless the holy spirit directs will always do so. but it does no good to argue with a fool, which at this tyme i do not see you as. you are only a misguided zealot.

you have done most of the defining of me mainly because of my belief in Christ being the Son of God. As i have said it does not bother me what you believe. God gives you freewill to do that, how can i not?

as far as who is a true, false or fake muslim, i would not know. i do not know what a muslim is let alone is not.

now here are the statements that you and i made concerning mrmuhammed:

i said>>>" and one of your muslim brothers has already said that the koran is looked at every so often and rewritten as needed to conform with the times. Mrmuhhammed.<<<I called him your brother assuming that you are a muslim.

now you said>>>Brother Muhammad has not indicated to me that he is a true Muslim who adheres to Islamic Traditions. For all I know, he is a fake Muslim. As a general rule, one cannot know if another is a MUslim or not until the two pray together. It is during prayer that every Muslim always affrims his Shahada. Thus, by praying together, we all know who is and whio is not a Muslim. So, do not confuse me with anyone who claims to be a Muslim unless I affirm that he is a Muslim.

you sound pretty self righteous to moi. did muhammed die and leave you in charge. allah give you a commission.

on the other hand my hipocratical friend it is you who have made many claims of christians who would certainly be questionable that committed sin and tried to use it against christianity.

do muslims ever make mistakes? are you guys ever wrong? and if so do you ever on up to it?