if Christianity had never come to the continent, if the Diaspora were never forcibly spread out to north or south America, brazil, England, Caribbean the rest of Europe. what would africa and the 'diaspora be like today'. how better would it be ?

Great question,

i think that we would be a totally different race without the persecution we have faced. We would have thriving economies, genuine African culture, OUR OWN LANGUAGES, respect for each other, for God, solid families and viable infrastrucures in Africa. It would be a regular utopia, but something about that just doesn't feel right. That would have been to easy.

So i think it begs the question;
Does our suffering define us? Would we be so proud, so charismatic, mentally and physically strong, eloquent and articulate, would we have dominated every arena we have been allowed & chosen to compete in, or spawned so many powerfull characters through the struggle, without the struggle?

Jah tests us, there is no testimony without a test. How could he make us smarter, faster, stronger, more industrious, more spirtual, the most beautiful, able to genuinely laugh and enjoy our selves, our dance, our customs, our music, dominate sports, give us the wonder element melanin, give our women bigger buts, and dudes bigger d**ks!!!! Come on, there had to be a test!!!

So long as we stay strong, and thats easy, our fore fathers and mothers did the hard part, we will be ok. The time is short. "And the meek shall inherit the earth."

I'm not sure ;better' would be the right word to start from...I think 'different' is a better starting point....

JEZ IT'S LIKEN PEOPLE are afriad of speculating on africa or something

I don't think anyone is afraid to think about it. In order to do so you would have to look at what the conditions were prior to Christianity and the diaspora.

in other words is Africa had been left to it's own disposition...

I don't think it would have been possible for Africa to remain free unless there had been a uniting of the nations, tribes etc. there are too many minerals and valuable resources. carpet baggers would have come with schemes and it would have been on either way.

now the potential for Africa to be the greatest nation in this age was there. just look at the brilliant african minds spead all about in many fields. the revenue from the resources could have helped 'tame' the jungle and set agriculture to benefit the continent.

there was great potential. ****(as a sideline what got us in that weak of a state)? to be steamed rolled by so called christians, arab slavers and the likes***

This question presupposes that the mark of Africa's downfall was the historically recent European incursions into the Continent. It wasn't. For 1,000 years before the European trans-Atlantic slave trade, Arab-Islam inflicted far worse slave conditions and oppression onto Africa than Europeans. In fact, it is this reason we were too fragmented, too dispersed, too drained, too resourcefully weakened to defend ourselves against the all out affront by Europeans on the entire Continent of Africa.

It may sound depressing, but we might have a few sovereign nations today if not for European involvement. However, I'm afraid the overall disparaging picture would perhaps be very similar. The only difference being an Arab colonizer and oppressor instead of a European one. The European colonization actually squelched the Arab attempts to enveloping all of Africa (Islamic Chronicles). Yet, even still over half of all Continental Africans today fall under the rule of Islam due to its violent historical expansion across the Continent. If 500 years ago the Europeans didn't come, we might be in a similar disparaging situation all because we still did not understand the psychosis of White Supremacist mentality dominant in nearly all non-African cultures (including Islam).

This failure to understand is the reason why nearly all of our classical Black Civilizations, including Sumer, ancient China, ancient India (Indus-Kush), Mesopotamia, ancient Iran, Phoenicia/Canaan, ancient Egypt, ancient Nubia, Meroe/Kush, Kuba, Monomatapa, Ancient Zimbabwe, Yorubaland, Bornu, Ghana, Songhai, Mali, Azania, amongst others have disappeared!!!

Well, if there wasn't some other event sparking either a squelching of Arab-Islamic expansion/imperialism or unification of conscious Africans to operate with statehood (before its too late), then things would be very much the same (and in some ways worse) if the European had not colonized and enslaved Africa. Absent of this event, most of the African Continent would look like the ideological society of Indian Hindus with the lighter peoples on top with the "blacks" on the bottom and/or outcasts from civilized society.

Perhaps we would have been able to stave off the Arabs, they've been held off so far.

From what I have been reading the Black Arabs were indebted to the paleskinned Arabs and in many cases were forced to make raids in order to pay off their debt. With their having fallen back defeated from Europe marking the caucasians involvement in the slave trade we would have been able to keep them at bay moving in on their retreat in the North...?

shemsi siad

"It may sound depressing, but we might have a few sovereign nations today if not for European involvement"


...on another thread i tried to raise a topic entitled prose and cons of slavery, and tried to elaborated about and make the point that my goodness obviously slavery and the colonies were a bad thing, but the indirect effect of it was a sense of individual nation states and a uniting rule of law ....of course my topic on 'pros and cons' was closed after only one person complained...( so much for 'mature and adult debate')

certainly the ideal of any people of any people would be self government. but when a people enslave another it can never be a lasting thing. the fire of freedom will ignite and can never be quenched. if not dealt with rationally there will alway be chaos among the enslaved making the situation very uncomfortable for the slavers.

Greed blinds to the pit falls of slavery. It is seen in Palestine, South Korea, Haiti all round the world, It will suck the life blood right out of the slaver...

I don't consider any of the indigenous African (non-Arab) states in Africa to be sovereign as they are still very much at the political whim of Europe and America. My point was that there would be almost no difference on the Continent except that we may have a few truly sovereign nations in Africa (Zulu, Yoruba, Ethiopia, Mossi/Ashante, etc.) if Europeans never invaded. However, the longevity of even those few would be in serious question given Islamic expansion on the Continent.

So I don't necessarily see a "pro" at all whether there was European imposition or not. Some positive always will work itself out somehow no matter the circumstances. Your topic on the "pros and cons" of slavery would be like Native Americans professing it as a good thing so many of their ancestors were slaughtered by Europeans, where now more reparations money from the U.S. government is granted to each individual. I mean seriously, for someone to even think that way about themselves, about their own people, you must ask what is really going on with you.

Shem I do not think that anyone who can find a positive circumstance out of the is in any way saying that the lynchings of blacks in America or the slaughter of the Arapahos or anything like that is the positive.

The man that runs out of gas and has to walk is chased into a ditch by a hateful driver and finds a bag of money....being out of gas and dodging a car are not at all positive...but finding the bag of money is....

and whether they just work themselves out or men are inspired to deal with the situation the positive is a positive. Had your family not been brought to America would you now be on a computer chatting as you are. Certainly there is the posibility but as Bob Marley said, "Chances Are".....

Not surprised they complained. My question is where you get the uniting rule of law angle from. Are you suggesting there was no law in African nations at the time?