I was surveying much of what I have been reading here

meknow · (#1 (**permalink**))

and i have to tell you that I have learned a great deal about myself as an African:

i am a slave because I am a chrstian, i am brainwashed because i don't believe in egyptian gods, i am a slave even though i bow to no man, that the white man is a clever son of a gun that has white supremacy working this late in the game, that until we kill all white people or enslave them all who we leave alive we will never be free and on and on it goes.

only a few of us on here are free, the rest of us just exist.

And all this about our negatives and nothing about how to get up or help some one else up out of the miry clay.

shyt this is a mind game that is being played out right here.

if you listen to us bicker right here you see why the white man does not have to do nothing.

When is someone going to stand up and start to find our commonalities rather than accentuate our differences so much. i don't have a damn thing against criticism but shyt, come on black people....

draw this shyt together quickly. this group here, that group there, Americans against Brits, shyt in my hat work this out....

dammit we got money, we got ability to communicate, we got people in position, we just don't have any direction....why?

get mad with me all you want, shyt i am an old man not long for this world and this ******* shyt....but i will go out speaking my peice.... stone me if you must...bring on the hymlock...

Black Lion · (#2 (**permalink**))

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dammit we got money, we got ability to communicate, we got people in position, we just don't have any direction....why?

.lol. Do you really think that we're that weak as a peoples? That we're just sitting around twiddling our thumbs while someone makes off with what they can?

What happened to those leaders who fronted the past attempt at (economic) liberation Mr Meknow? Where are the natural resources of our countries going and why are the people there so poor? What companies and countries benefit from our disposition?

You come across as being apologist, just as some of the muslems come on here excusing the acts of the Arabs in the past. Bet you think we're all some hate inspired ''reverse racists'' wanting to kill all white people or something ridiculous.

Think you need to wake up, take king james out of your eyes and take a look at the real world.

Its called post traumatic slave syndrome btw.

meknow · (#3 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Black Lion

.lol. Do you really think that we're that weak as a peoples? That we're just sitting around twiddling our thumbs while someone makes off with what they can?

What happened to those leaders who fronted the past attempt at (economic) liberation Mr Meknow? Where are the natural resources of our countries going and why are the people there so poor? What companies and countries benefit from our disposition?

You come across as being apologist, just as some of the muslems come on here excusing the acts of the Arabs in the past. Bet you think we're all some hate inspired ''reverse racists'' wanting to kill all white people or something ridiculous.

Think you need to wake up, take king james out of your eyes and take a look at the real world.

Its called post traumatic slave syndrome btw.

ohhhh BL that hurt bredder...

King James out of my eyes....I said nothing about my belief system BL...but of course I don't walk around with a shiny cross hanging from my neck either. I try and live what I believe. so that was a low blow unless you can show where King James is. And by the way bredder King James does not have a heaven or a hell to put me in.

Now as to your other questions I would stand with you in asking them. As a lad i gave my allegance to the leadership of the NAACP, SNCC and the rest of the groups that fained black revival. hahahha...what ever are you implying BL...that Jessi and Al are not leaders? What about the leaders in the mother land who take the helms of the people and stand as monuments of great black leadership.

Do you get my point...it is not one nation who has gone lacking as for as turning things around for us. If I were an apologist then I would never have said any of what I did say. nothing in it gave any quarter to anyone. It asks some tough questions.

and as i said I hear more about how deeply white supremacy is entrenched into the world's psyche that it sickens me, now there could be a problem. Our intelligencia is enamoured or awed by what they believe or want to believe is a conspiracy that we are not able to over come.

I have no fear of white supremacy. it can do nothing to me. if white people were as smart as we believe them to be or give them credit the game is over. but look at what is happening. the hurt is on all people. and if the squeeze is not lessened it will cause disaster soon. whites are not going to take this pounding.

white supremacy is a myth of brainwashed black people. All black people need to do in these days is unite. there lies the problem, we could never do that.

Unite and whites will cower...

RLB · (#4 (**permalink**))

I agree with meknnow on this.

Even though I am no fan of Christianity, I can sure as hell live along side them and some of my friends are Christians and are about as good a people as you will meet anywhere. The actions of black Christians aren’t as big a threat as certain other ‘religions’. Black Muslims on the other hand…..OH BOY! You can just see them rounding us up to finish off what their Arab masters started and continue to do now, which is slaughter us in the millions and take over our lands.

Regardless of the fact that Christianity was use to ‘enslave’ our minds, Christianity still played a part in dismantling physical slavery, you can judge for yourself to what degree, but they still openly denounced it.

What of Islam? They have never acknowledged their role in slavery, to my knowledge no Muslim at any period in time, EVER spoke out about slavery, no Muslim EVER raised a single finger to in opposition to slavery, no Muslim EVER so much as rote a strongly worded letter condemning slaver in fact the Koran is fine with slavery.

Black Muslims were taken as slaves, what did Islam do to secure their freedom….anyone? come on, surely these Muslim should have been angered that their dark-skinned brother and sister were being held in bondage, No, they were only angry that whites got to them first. We all know how the story would of ended if Arabs had gotten their hands on those slaves. The men would have been castrated and murdered and the women would have been raped into non existence.

Islam demands far more loyalty of is adherents than Christianity. A black Muslim would blow up a primary school full of African children if his Arab master ordered him to in the name of Allah far more willingly than any Christian would in the name of Jesus, if Muslims can kill their own kids, then killing someone elses kids isn’t going to be a problem now is it?

Let any Muslim try and argue that one with me, just try it!

In my opinion Islam is in the top five enemies to us and our cause, the other four in that category are open to debate but that Islam is in the top five certainly is not.

And it is for those reasons why I can happily live with black Christians and not with black Muslim, I just couldn’t turn my back on one.

RLB · (#5 (**permalink**))

Now back to the point to the point of our lack of cohesion, I don’t think anybody her would deny that there are any number of divisions in the community that prevents us from truly working together.

Obviously it isn’t a question of “we're just sitting around twiddling our thumbs while someone makes off with what they can” many of us are doing our part.

The problem is ‘our part’ isn’t the same as ‘other peoples part’. Efforts are divided and energies are dispersed over a wide area and loses it strength, people have no common ground as to what direction to move.

I’ll use the obvious analogy of four people trying to push a car.

If one pushes from the back, one to the left, one to the right and the other pushes from the front, the car will not move, particularly if no one has bothered to take the hand break off.

The ‘hand break’ is ego free discussion.

Black Lion, when you asked to question “Should Africans in the dispora learn Swahili as a second language?” How many people popped up with their egos and tried to shoot the idea down?

Some even mentioned that they were learning other African languages, but where were their posts trying to promote the learning of these languages? Where were their posts directing us to sites to lean these languages? Where were their posts promoting the discussion of what direction, linguistically, should we take?

They weren’t moved into action UNTIL you mentioned us taking a course then they added their negative two cent, nothing wrong with that, but even now, they still haven’t tired to promote these better alternatives.

And this is how it is in our communities. Few have interest in being pro active but many have an interest in tearing sh!t down and after sh!t has been torn down, everyone slinks back into inaction and nothing changes.

Its all to comfortable to ‘tread water’ in the ocean of stagnation but its too much effort for some people to start swimming in any direction.

I’m not familiar with meknnow’s other posts, but I don’t particularly see anything in this post that leads me to believe that he is being a apologist, he just seem p1ssed off with inaction just as most of us are. And even if he is an apologist, I will take black Christians message of ‘love thy fellow man’, over Islam’s message of ‘You filthy black piece of sh1t, put this suicide vest on and blow yourself up for us, but just make sure you slaughter your daughter before doing so’.

meknow · (#6 (**permalink**))

I don't press my Chritianity in people's faces like some "in your face christians." I am not into that. I believe the best way to win souls is to be an example to those who are without.

having said that I must say that I am not ashamed of being a Christian and loving Jesus and have no problem telling anyone so. but example is more of a testimony than quoting bible scriptures to people who know nothing about the bible.

All I have heard on here mostly is how christianity is what white supremacist used to brainwash and tame us.

If that were so then the white racists that I know who hate christianity have missed some meetings. there certainly are some whites who use the cross of Christ in error but they have no scriptural backing for what they expouse.

Jeremiah Wright is not preaching Christ, but black nationalism.

Black Lion · (#7 (**permalink**))

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I don't press my Chritianity in people's faces like some "in your face christians." I am not into that.

Aw come on, you've been on here harrasing Fine1982 since you joined the site .lol. I could quote you're saying literally, ''come to jesus breddah'' in more than a few threads.

Otherwise mistook this thread as your overall analysis of BNV as though it somehow clashes with you christian morals. It was a sweeping commentary.

What do you think of Black Nationalism may I ask Mr Meknow?

Black Lion · (#8 (**permalink**))

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Black Lion, when you asked to question “Should Africans in the dispora learn Swahili as a second language?” How many people popped up with their egos and tried to shoot the idea down?

Hmmmm... talking to people on this forum and doing work in the community in general has given me a diffrent outlook to things like that, heck, living with my family has taught me it. .lol.

You have an educated few who are able to see past themselves and work for us (African peoples) as a whole and then you have people who are stubborn and insist on giving uneducated opinions as well as those who are afraid and then untrusting of others, its all fear really, if anything its those people who need help, they're just lost. What annoys me is when those people seek to recruit others into their state of disillusionment whether its unbeknownst to them or purposeful....

Soldiers and civilians if you see my point, some civilians just cross the line every now and then (coons, christians, muslems etc) and take to being enemy soldiers.

meknow · (#9 (**permalink**))

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Aw come on, you've been on here harrasing Fine1982 since you joined the site .lol. I could quote you're saying literally, ''come to jesus breddah'' in more than a few threads.

Otherwise mistook this thread as your overall analysis of BNV as though it somehow clashes with you christian morals. It was a sweeping commentary.

What do you think of Black Nationalism may I ask Mr Meknow?

firstly bl, i am not ashamed of my belief. i careless about who or how many are anti christianity. not my worry.

your accusing me of harrasing fine is a joke and borderline lie bl, i thought more of you. Fine is one of the arrogants on here or which i do not include you. When my belief system is attacked I will let them know in no uncertain terms what my teachings (christianity) say about it. I did more questioning of fine and abd than denying their gods.

I am don't have to argue about Jehovah being the True God with anyone. Why should I? You won't find it except maybe in some of the longer discussions with abd.

You certainly did misunderstand me if you thought that this thread is a sweeping commentary of BNV. It was just as I said that there are some here who are mind readers and have no room for discussion or dialogue. they nickpick to intimidate and then will bring scathing copy/paste articles to support their points as if you can not fine anything in the world on the .net to say anything.

I am not easily intimidated bl, not at all. i will give my two cent with the misspelled words, wrong verbs and what ever. I understand that when people begin to look that closely at your 'work' there is something afoot.

i am an African American who has lived in the deep south most of my life. I know white people. I know the capitalist system, been there, done that. I have faced down klans men. have had the door slammed in my face. And people have the nerve to say to me that I am an uncle tom. but rather than anger me it just show me the depth of perception that they have.

I am gonna get off this....so here is what I think of black nationalism...

it is a great concept....but it can not happen with the mindset that is prevalent among the vocal black minority.

If black nationalism means that we black people are gonna come together and rise up as a people and determine our own destiny we are doomed to remain as we are. because you just caught the drift that I was condensenting in what this thread says.

is that what you read? or could you have missed the point.

how do you think that i can remain on this forum and listen to the 'harassment' that i listen to and not love being black. and not have a hope that i can add to the uprising?

no brother, i support this forum. i would hope that it can remain open to here and listen. in war you have to have intelligence from the other side. shut off dialogue and you weaken yourself. look at failed socialist experiences.

Black Lion · (#10 (**permalink**))

Forget it, have been having a bad week, misunderstood you from the get go. I'm not ''attacking'' your christian morals I have nothing against open minded christians and others including muslems, they're a respectful peoples when they're in the mood have a respect for Muslems, more so than christians perhaps as they adhere and live by their values.... Its the fanatic stubborn mainstream religious followers I personally don't like, close minded bible/koran bashers who think that converting people is the be all and end all.

In talking about the community and peoples ego (fear) was saying that there'll always be those who are active and those who are passive, people who are active in their pursuits will always hold sway over those who are passive as they tend to follow and go with the crowd, can't expect too much from others, all you can do is take to being active and hope to have it rub off on others naturally, the truth is an emotion in of itself, something thats felt, a lie needs to be defended in being conscious/active/aware of what is going on in the community and in general it won't be long before you influence it.

meknow · (#11 (**permalink**))

there always will be active and passives...this is the history of the world...we won't change that...

what i have observed that is most dangerous are perpetual talkers who will stir up shyt and then hide away....they can see every fault and misdeed of everyone else but their own asses....these people are pariahs and are of no use to the movement...they will cause dissent when they are not the center of attraction...they are usually the one's who will sell out as soon as pressure comes up..

jessi jackson and al sharpton are two of the worst. they ride off into communities with fanfare get their acclaim and ride off with the issue still smoldering....i don't have shyt for them. they could be helpful but you can't tell these ass hole nuttin'

there are people on foot ready to do what needs to be done...orchastrating it is the problem...

i may get banned but we black people have a problem working together...