NativeTongue wrote:
[quote]hmm, cant believe we are still having this conversation, anyway here goes.

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fact of the matter is the majority of people from the caribbean and the US are 'mixed-race'.

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by this mean if you go back far enough you will find at least one non-black (white, chinese, indian) ancestor.






so let me extend this

if you go back in any other race except ours

you will find someone from another race

so are all whites, asians and whoever mixed race?

(rhetorical question because, i dont give a shit)

if your parents are african you are african


black + black = black




rape in slavery was used as a weapon of war

to confuse

just like today

many mixed raced people are confused

because anyone who cannot identify who they are is highly unlikely to identify their enemy, correctly.

if someone looks african

its because they are

and their place in the world is rich in history, contemporary

and has a future

hmm, breadfuit please tell me you see the glaring holes in your argument.



once again someone has confused Race, Ethnicity, and Nationality.



You obviously have issues with Mixed Race People.



Thats your problem mate, but please dont assume to speak for all black people.

could you please clarify?

and who said i was speaking for all black people?

have you got a problem with black people, mate?

Breadfruit wrote:
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You guys are really taking this to another place.

Yes, she is mixed. If in a discussion like the above,that is clear. We are acknowledging her make up.

In everyday life, this is extra. If I am trying todescribe to somebodyaperson whois fair ordark with afro-centric features or not,I will call them black, standard.

Same with a white person.

I will always give people the respect to accept what it is they think they are, but not to the detriment of common sense.

Buda,

I don't think of mixed race people as being less Black than a full blooded Black person because one of their parents isn't Black, but in general, I don' tlike for anybody to use that word no matter what race , whole or signle to use that word. It is demeaning whether a White person is using for racial purposes, to say that a person is stupid or for some of us to use it a way of greeting each other. I don't like that word used aroiund me whatsoever.

NativeTongue wrote:
[quote]Breadfruit wrote:


ok

i may not have a phd in genetics

like yourself

but i know enough about history to see that africans have had a continuous history in the americas


the fact of miscegenation which is played as a political dis-empowering tool (people losing their identity and sense of self) is obvious

now if africans have had a continuous history

just as europeans have in the americas

this to me is the only scientific fact that i will use when a geneticist

who like the majority of the academic and technological creations within european instituions

are intrinsic too white power and its dominance in the lives of many africans

worldwide

if you choose to call africans in the americas mixed race

then please be consistent

and call all the other races in the americas mixed race





for me as a pan-africanist, african identity is a fundamental that we organise around

there can be no confusion on fundamentals

if your serious about the work you are doing

Please educate me. what don't you like about being called mixed if you are?

I'm not being sarcastic, just would like to know...

breadfruit i dont think it makes sense to talk in terms of Race at all.

One can talk in terms of ethnic identity, in which you could call African Americans and Caribbeans 'Black'.

My point is identity is a complex thing.

Ask any diaporean person who has been to Africa and been called an 'EnglishMan' by the locals about that.

Its silly to try and impose one owns world view on someone else.' Mixed Race 'are not a monothilitic group and its nonsensical to think of them as such.



I do however think that certain posters on here have serious problems with MixedRace / Light Skinned people, especially MixedRace / light skinned women.



But thats another topic altogether.