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@Hrunopi. Excellent thread. MAXIMUM.....

A couple of observations. The first I think was made by Justavoice which cannot be reiterated enough. We have become a scapegoat culture whether it is issues to do with women/men or black youth. Ducking responsibility has become a fine art in the black community and nowhere is this most apparent in the education and preparation in every aspect of our youth by parents in too many cases.

Our young are made scapegoats often of inaction of parents, who in many respects just abandon them to the forces that be. Young people of all races generally follow broadly the framework or guides put down by parents and other adults in society. So the young reflect their parents in many many ways, even though it is conveinient to "blame the youth" as Sizla continually warns us not to do.

If we compare what the Jewish community, which I know well does for its children, even before they are born and the thinigs that parents and adults unite to create and support eg a whole range of social education programmes etc, the poverty of mind of too many of our parents and people becomes very very apparent.

You don't find Jewish children hanging around shopping centres because they have nowhere to go or nothing to do which inspires or excites them, brining them into negative contact with others. You do not see Jewish youth unsupervised roaming around the place.

We have to get out of this cultural psychology, that a child is all about "me" and the personal needs they fufil for very short periods of time before boredom or others things set in.

On the issue of teaching black history. Be careful for what you ask for. As one sister mentioned above, it is fooly hardy to expect white people to teach black history to your children. What are they going to teach historical facts, how are they going to teach it and to what end? A lot of black history is taught in US schools and the verdict of many top scholars and educators is that the quality of what is taught is joke business.

There are more than enough black people with the knowledge and skills to carry out this work in most boroughs or areas and we need to take it away from schools and base it in the community. Community, and church halls, hiring and purchasing centres and old buildings you name it.

I ran two programmes for young people which were very very successful rivaling the baseketball team in one centre, which was very popular and almost unchallengable in terms of popularity. The numbers attending exceeded legal requirements, but we would not turn young people away. So nobody is going to tell me the youth are not interested in these things.

But in both cases white people's politics led to the programmes being closed after years, showing that our children's future is of no real concern to these people when the pedal hits the metal.

In one case the centre head a trendy and liberal/feminist white woman into "blacks" in more ways than one, was trying to push up herself on me, after she dumped another relatively senior brother who was part of the centre management who she was dabbling with for years. What was worse she did not hide it placing me in an impossible position, with a vex black man roaming the place after being uncerimoniously ditched.

In another case, we had a purpose built centre in an area with a history of serious violence and gangs which led to the first centre being shut down after a priest who ran the place was killed. Again the programes we ran were very successful, but the problem was the black female centre manager, who simply took the money and did very little work. Consequently, she was never there when decisions needed to be made, people had to track her down and usually without success.

Eventually she got pregnant and we were without a manager for the longest. After she returned and with more of the same, she was replaced by a mix raced[white as hell] guy from Manchester,a real devious and nasty piece of work in a predominantly all black centre.

His first move was try to integrate the centre and its programmes to attempt to include white kids (predominantly Irish) in a particular neighbouring estate, which meant fundamentally changing not only the staff make up but the contents of the programmes. Of course warfare broke out and they authorities shut the place down. Again showing what these people think of black youth and the hundreds who were affected.

I was also invited to be part of a borough wide education programme target at black boys and involved arranging a whole heap of educationally based activities and some very talented educationalists. We had the involvement of footballers such as Ian Wright, John Barnes, boxer Nigel Benn and others and had maximum attendence.

The iniative involved organising activities over a weekend and continued for 3 years until the local authority decided not to fund it. No reasons were given other than it was no longer a priority and when cuts have to be made things which are irrelevent suffer.

All the programmes were successful by any criteria used, were very well attended etc and involved in total, (particularly the last programme) several thousand boys in total.

What is so disturbing in every case is the role played by black parents. Had parents actively volunteered a minimal amount of their time to become involved in appropriate ways, there is no way whites could have closed those programmes down on a mere whim. It would never have happend in the Asian and particularly Jewish community.

The attitude of too many was as long as things are running they were cool and could use their time in other ways and by the time a few try to do something it was too little and too late. The amount of black people in the borough wide programme mentioned, who work and pay tax etc and the amount of money the programme cost was a joke. But because they are a major source of the problem, they were unable to press their case to ensure the borough could not act in that way.

The attitude of parents was if those who designed, ran and managed the programmes eg staff and do the day to day work, were implicitly responsible for the politics of running these places, eg attending particular meetings, contacting Councilors, keeping pressure on the local authority etc, which is humanly impossible to do, even if staff wanted to and in fact are not allowed to do by law and contract. Those things relate to the role and duty of concerned parents.

Fredblack

well all I can really add to that without repeating what Fred hassaid once again you on point bro niceone.gif

much respect bro and keep posting as many of us benefit from your posts on blacknet villageclp)

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HEY FREDB!

YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN THINKING, THAT OU MENTION IT-WHY SHOULDN'T US GROWN FOLKS REALLY PROVIDE SOMETHING FOR THE BLACK YOUTH HERE-RIGHT ON THE INTERNET?

I HAVEN'T YET LOOKED, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A SINGLE SITE DEVOTED EXCLUSIVELY TO BLACK YOUTH - AND THESE KIDS HAVE SOOOO MANY ISSUES TO DEAL WITH, AND SOOO MUCH TIME TO BE YOUNG, YET AT THE SAME TIME UNINVOLVED IN THEIR OWN CULTURAL, HISTORIC, OR POLITICAL FUTURES.

THEY NEED A MENTAL PLACE TO GO AND LEARN AND SHARE AND EXPRESS WHAT THEY ARE DOING, WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH, AND LEARN ABOUT HOW COMMON THEIR OWN REALITIES ARE GLOBALLY AS BLACK YOUTH.

I DON'T MEAN SOME HAPPY-CAMP WHERE YOUTH GO TO CHAT AND DISCUSS SNEAKERS AND SPORTS-I'M TALKING ABOUT A REAL SITE WHERE BLACK YOUTH CAN DEAL DIRECTLY WITH REAL ISSUES THE WAY THEY KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM: STRAIGHT FORWARD, UP FRONT WITHOUT PULLING ANY PUNCHES.

ALSO, WHICH ALLOWS FOR INTERACTION BETWEEN BLACK YOUTH AND ADULTS AND ELDERS-NO, NOT A WALT-DISNEY FAMILY WEB SITE, MORE LIKE A BLACK DIASPORA INTERACTIVE NETWORK.

WHATY D'YOU THINK?

@Zack, Thanks bro just trying to share practical information that could be use to somebody serious.

@Hnrupi, Excellent idea. Think we need to involve some young people though?

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HERE IT IS!!

http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackf...orum9/873.html

A real good thread! I just wish more peeps would contribute though

Without a doubt-But my all means is it we the adults who should take the initiative and get such a thing started. I personally=if you don't mind me saying so-don't think it a good idea to ask youth what they'd like; that takes away from the establishment of sound priorities. While by all means their input is mandatory, it is also true that it is mostly the responsibility of adults to provide information and education, and establish a basis and foundation upon which our youth can build.

When I talk about a site exclusively for Black youth I mean particularly from the point of view of providing them with the things they need, in the ways of education, information, ethnic values, discipline,and support, and alowing both youth and adults a forum in which to interact more and learn and teach one another what is important for our people and vital to the youth, rather than having a big pretty online playground much like the typical Euro-youth sites where kids just run willy-nilly and log in to waste time and learn nothing.

For example, let's say the site would have a media link where youth go go to listen to watch and learn about important figures in Black history such as Malcolm X and Mumia Abu Jamal, Dr. Ben, etc. They could also acquire much objective information about things that affect Black people globally, whether positively or adversely; read or download PDF books or excerpts; learn and discuss history, mathematics, religon and ethics from the Afrocentric point of view; health hygiene and human sexuality-and YES IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT OUR YOUTH HAVE A WAY OF DEALING WITH THESE ISSUESIN A LOGISTIC AND RESPONSIBLE FASHION, NOT AS A MEANS OF INFLUENCING WHAT THEY KNOW, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW ENOUGH-WHAT OUR NEED IS WAY TO DEAL WITH IT OPENLY AND RESPONSIBLY.

This last point is veryimportant because too too too many of our children are single mothers, or infected with HIV, abusing drugs or selling drugs and committing acts of violence against one another. The world they know has no secrets so it makes no sense to try and sheild them from its realities-Better to help them learn and assist one another and work with their elders in finding positive solutions to coping with these realities.

We could contruct a calander of important dates in Black history and have the date's facts auto update from the home-page.

Such a site would not focus on the general monotonous drivel that youth can go and view anywhere on the net-It would not be the place say, to come and find talk about the latest gangsta-rap more than learn about what it is and how it affects our culture; It would not be a place to come and find out what the latest fashion or style in apparel is more than teaching youth that positive image is shaped ethically and intellectually with knowledge and education, not Tommy Hell-Figure and Timberland, and just as well that it is more important to put your money into your own enterprise thaninto the white man's-fashions and other material goods.

Such a site would be devoted to radically shifting how we think, act, walk and talk and treat ourselves and one another, and work to bring about the global UNITY of ALL AFRICAN PEOPLE EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD, AS WELL AS INITIATE AND EXCHANGE ACTIVE PARTICIPATION IN SUPRESSING WHITE-DOMINATION AND CONTROL, IN THE SCHOOLS, IN BUSINESS, AND ECONOMICS.

I agree with your sentiments Hrunopi but scroll down on your page just a touch, to the green writting and there is a black history section there. Its quite good but perhaps it should be made more prominent??

Perhaps the younger blacknet villagers aren't aware of it? Anything else that we feel might be missing from there I suppose wecould add ourselves by starting topics like this one........

Maybe there should be a black achievment section so we can see all the brothers/sisters doing positive works now and today.We could try focusingon thepositive people....

The news section is where people ususually post things which are affecting us or that we should worry about e.g. UKIP or segregation laws etc etc

offtopic.gifBlack people need a lil light relief too! On other sites we wouldn't be able to have black orientated light entertainment as well as being conscious, Most people are just as likely to be writing about serious issues as they are discussing music... depends what mood you're in I suppose.

Whoa!

There'a LOT going on here!

And you're right-Those links

NEED TO BE MORE PROMINENT !

You see 'link drivel' and other insignifiant messages at the bottom of almost every web page. These are links relevent to this site, and they should be at the top along with the other buttons on on the site in a split pane.

Still I think that Black youth need an online space that caters to them especially. There aren't too many young visitors to the forums besides-which is not altogether a bad thing; yet as far as Black youth networking and connecting and interacting for the sake of their own future and for all Black people globally, I think it is necessary to have this kind of site.