@Double N said

"Hmm, I find these views very interesting. time and time again I marvel at how willing we are willing to let hate control our lives and actions. not sure why everything always comes down to them and us. to be honest I fully support what rastawoman did. the joke is if the asian woman were white and the white woman were black, i would still cuss out the black person for such shameful behaviour. HATE BEGETS HATE, thats all there is to it. Blatant racism is just that, and shouldn't be allowed to happen just because its not a black and white situation. To me the salvation of my soul is too important to me for me to see injustice happen and let it carry on because the person is asian or white. I for one hope that i'll never get to the stage where my heart will become so twisted that I wouldn't help out my fellow human being because of the colour of their skin. The true test your character does not lie in you helping out people that you know will help you out but helping out those that you KNOW will probably not.Have people never heard of the phrase killing them with kindness?"

Greetings. First I would say it is important in any discussion to have a basic grasp of language or concepts used. Two examples being HATE OR HATRED AND REVOLUTIONARY.

A dictionary could be useful start.

Unless the revolution you refer to is in the name of Christ our lord and salvation, and a white one at that, it is not the responsibility of the African man or woman or black people to you to save mankind or to the examplar of all the worldy ideals you know doubt subscribe to. Especially when another Asian man is watching and would not even lift a finger.

Particularly given my examination of other ethnic racial groups unless I am blind I see little evidence of them taking up such a role as opposed to looking after their material and cultural interests. Ghandi did not give a f**k about Africans and was racist against them as the rest of his people. So go ahead and lead that war by yourself as I do not see many intelligent people taking your lead. BRAVERY is another word so is STUPID....

I am not sure how old you are or what constitutes your reality or experience, but let me give you a summary. I live in an area with plenty Asians for over 30 if not more years. Went to school with them, played a particular sport where they are well represented for about 20 years. Only played three matches this season, because I was too busy.

Worked with them or around them politically for black radical organisations since 1980 if not earlier. Study them as one of my case studies for my PHD, ate, drank with them visted their homes and temples or Mosques, attended their religious and other festivals and have anlaysed and studied them for nearly 20 years and earning myself a professional reputation for knowing probably more about their organisational and political in and outs than most. Taught on them and written on them.

The term "Enemy" or "ADVERSARY" are also words you need to look up and understand. When you do, then may I suggest you do some real revolutionary work and do some serious research on the matter and if you need help come back to me and I will point you in the right direction. And I dare you to come back here and tell me Asians are any "FRIENDS" (another word) to black people now or then.

Do you have the slightest understanding of what is going on politically in Handsworth behind the scenes and how Asians who used their affiliation with black people only to get access and then to make sure black people were removed from any committee or area of authority while they raided public money to run their things. Have you ever heard of Professor Gus John who lived in Birmingham the longest time and what he wrote about significant sections of the Asian community there and how they treat black people, to ensure that they keep institutional power?. Have you heard of a brother called Bini Brown and what the Asians attempted to do silence him and why in 2002? Do you know how we managed to save the reputation of a committed brother from Asian dirty politics?

Don't you find it strange that Asians control the Black History budget in Birmingham, because they claim they are black, but no black person would be allowed near their Nivrartri funds or have any say? Have you heard of the London Arts Council and how Asians not only pumped in their own money, but drained the coffers dry, while its black head and place man Trevor Phillips not only assisted them, as he has an Asian woman, but used to his position to exclude black artists. Do you want me to tell you about how the Asian media industry is funded in this country and why they are making programmes and have such a profile while black artists do not get a cent. Do you want me to e-mail some black artist to come here and tell you about your ignorance.

I think you need education.

FB

PS DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW i CAN GET MY FONTS TO WORK BECAUSE THIS TEXT IS MASHING UP MY EYES. THANX

Hi FB

I do not have the time or inclination to sit here and argue with you but I will say this

1. Your tone about my age was condescending to say the least and If you must know I'm in my mid twenties

2. No where in my post did I say Indians were our friends and neither did I mention anything about chirst so you bringing those two points up were irrelevant

3. I still maintain hate begets hate. It takes more courage to love your enemy than to hate them, which is a basic principle that Martin Luther King tried to instill in people during his peace movement. there are many ways to "fight" and I am not a person that believes that it all has to begin and end in the trenches. In some cases silence is stronger than the spoken word in this case I still stand by my statements, what she did I still feel was revolutionary whether you agree or not.

4. Everyone has a choice to make in terms of how they treat others and I (like Rastawoman) treat others the way I would like to be treated irrespective of their behaviour towards me, like i said the salvation of my soul is more important to me than "getting one over" on another race or whomever.If you were in the situation that she was in and could walk away with your conscience clear thats fine, I know I couldn't. Change starts with one person and if hate is what you put out that is all you will get in return

peace

Double N said "I do not have the time or inclination to sit here and argue with you but I will say this

1. Your tone about my age was condescending to say the least and If you must know I'm in my mid twenties

Nope but you have enough time to respond? Nope again I was not being condescending to you regarding your age but to the quality of your argument given your very pressumptious tone and fundamental mischaracterisation of what I posted.

You see your age is an indication of the range of potential experiences you may have with Asians or other people and you are still too young to remember Asians men killing their daughters for dating black men etc and I can go on. And you say in your post you are not sure why it always comes down to "them and us". Well sis it would appear that either you do not read or comprehenend what you are arguing against and even more understand basic consitency given you are now arguing you know how Asians for the majority see and view us. Help me out here which is it to be?

Never heard of a black man killing his daughter for dealing with an Asian girl ever or disowning them or doing the nasty things they often do when they do not comply. Save your acts of heroism for those who deserve it.

Tell me have you consulted that dictionary yet, because if you want to throw words about you really should know the meaning. Tell me do you know many Jews? I do. Try to tell them there are any redeeming features of a Nazi or that not all Nazis are alike or they should not hate them. The point I am making even though hate has nothing to do with anything I said or suggested because you live in a simple world where passion is assumed to form people's attitudes. While in reality one can feel nothing for particular groups of people and cannot even be bothered to stir up the type of feelings you incorrectly infer. Cold objective analyis is sufficient I find.

Futhermore you assumed evangellism while quaint is very misplaced. With respects you citing Martin Luther King to me is like citing your lord and saviour Jesus Christ. I am respectful for all the right reasons, but don't place too much weight on it. In fact was it not King who based in thinking on Hindus with a particular culture which includes a deep dislike for Black people. Do you know nothing about Ghandi in South Africa? As somone wiser than me said King confused a strategy with a life style and they were being polite the way I see it.

Would I step to protect an Asian woman. Never and would disown any child of mine who would as being too dumb to be related to me. Even black skin will not make me blindly step into a situation as plenty of our enemies have them too didn't you know.

FB

clp)Barbados and Rastawoman, you did good girl. That oversizedanimal got what she deserved.

To those who oppose. Havent you heard thewords"I dont mind you lot its the P*kis i hate" ? What do you instantly know when someone utters those words?. Wouldnt you instantly know that sort of person would stab your claart as soon as you turned your back?

Do you not honestly believe that this beast of a woman would not be saying "black b**ch this and black b**ch that" had it been a black woman instead of Asian? Do you not believe that she wont be influencing her children to grow up with the same way as her?

Its called the "Bermondsey b**ch Sydrone" otherwise known as the "Eltham Trailer Trash Disease"

Na man you did the right thing Rastawoman. You acted with integrity and conviction and basically did what was right. More importantly you did it for your own values and not in defence of Asians which is how some people may see it. I totally understand your actions.

@Le Moore said "To those who oppose. Havent you heard the words "I dont mind you lot its the P*kis i hate" ? What do you instantly know when someone utters those words?. Wouldnt you instantly know that sort of person would stab your claart as soon as you turned your back?

Do you not honestly believe that this beast of a woman would not be saying "black b**ch this and black b**ch that" had it been a black woman instead of Asian? Do you not believe that she wont be influencing her children to grow up with the same way as her?
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I think that even makes things more unclearer. Sure most people have heard these things but the majority of white people hold those views and you cannot police people's private prejudices and then on that assume that if she treats an Asian like that she will treat a black person like that. One does not follow, because she and they do often have more fear towards black people than they do Asians. Furthermore people have the right to think what they want. You cannot police people's thoughts and they have a right to like or dislike you and then on that basis infer the action was prempting because you assume they would treat black people in that way.

That does not make sense.

Personal princples without intelligence and judgement is foolishness. Especially when you are the only one to hold those views. If you walk around and naievetly apply such principles you would not last a day or even a bus ride in most inner city areas. If you think you simply jump into any thing you see without careful consideration.

Le Moore Greetings bro

You said "How are we to define bigotry and racism?. The fact that this woman choose to attack Asians, in my book is neither here nor there. She deserved to get cuss even if she were attacking the diasbled.

Isn't it the moral issue which is in question here? Even if it were a white person and she disturbed me enough with her behaviour, i'd still be inclined to say something.

All said i dont believe this type of person is free from any guilt at'll. Although i can't prove it and her actions don't guarentee she feels the same against black people when pushed, i'd still put my house on it that she does.

Her kind are all too familiar i'm afraid.

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First the sister Rastawoman can act how she likes on principle, but of course when she puts it out here and also by implication assume that her values are shared or should be shared. Then I think she opens her position to serious scrutiny. If she did not think that she would not post on the subject.

You are right the issue is a moral issue but whose morals her personal morals or the ones she thinks black people should hold which is why she posted on the issue. Because if she thought she would get cussed out for doing so she would not have posted. Simple reasonable deduction.

Moreover whose interest does such a moral position serve? What are the consequences for the individual or group for holding such a moral position.

Would we raise our children according to such morals and what would be the consequences given that the world does not run on such a basis? Not sure the disabled example is a good one. Disability is not unique to any group and we have not suffered at the hands of the disabled.

Your argument raises fundamental moral inconsistencies as I said we do not know what is in people's minds even if we have more than enough reasonable grounds to make our assumptions. Only their actions can confirm that and provide some moral basis for your claims. If we accept your logic given the depth of racism in this country which is not sociologically in question because the evidence is 8 mile high are we then to take your lead from the time we leave our homes in the morning confront and challenge white people. Because they share the same general view as a group with some minor exceptions.

Is that what we would tell our children in order to be consistent with your line of argument and what would be the consequences for their interest and our leadership, nevermind our people?

I suggest when Rastawoman said she felt like going to Barbados after the experience this is enough evidence to suggest she has not really studied anything hard or seriously even the people in her face day in and day out. Hence morality on such a basis in my eyes is fundamentally flawed never mind her strategy.

FB

Sir Fred

We are struggling with perceptions here and i really dont see this situation as complex.

Quite the opposite in a 'lard eating woman' racially abused an individual followed by a conscious black woman opposing her racial tone.

Would we raise our children according to such morals. I would certainly raise mine to recognise racial abuse of any nature and identify the perpetraitor as someone whos views ARE desrtructive to their persona.

and what would be the consequences given that the world does not run on such a basis? I would prefer to flip that in reverse and enjoy the premise of how ideal it would be if the world did run on that basis. Hence the moral arguement is grounded and correct in its nature, regardless of where it stands in popularity. In essence the consequences can be compared to a risk Vs reward senario where the risk could be challenged by using your judgement wisely. As it happens i dont think anyone would have to worry too much about the fat one mouthing off about P*kis.

Not sure