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Default 14-03-08, 06:23 PM

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Are you freaking serious?

tell the "white community" to accept and embrace them as part of their own and let me know how they take it.lol

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"the one drop rule is actually an isnsult to black people

its like whatever cant be sorted out into the other races we can chuck it into the black box under the one drop rule."

this is so true and not just biracials
black people are expected to accept all "misfits" that aren't accepted by their group or don't quite fit in anywhere else.
except gay folks.lol

The days of black people having to accept the people whites rejected are almost gone. Barack Obama has walk the walk of a black man and even he didn't get the black vote easy. Some black people don't realise the power they have. Its what MLK and others fought for years ago. This has alot to do with history. When whites go to South Africa they know the culture and history there is between black Africans[the indigenous] and whites. Despite there being a coloured /mixed race culture and group. In most of the Americas and some of Europe the black culture is almost more important to the country than anything else. If you asked a Brazilian to send home a black brazilian to Africa he would point out what blacks have brought to Brazil as a melting pot. As racist as some white in that country might be. When you are the original and creator of certain things its hard for people to ignore you . The fact is this world is a selfish place and every group is more concerned with their own. Black African people are a little bit more diverse than others. Africa has the widest range of skin colours of any contient, there are different looks from Ethiopia to Ghana.


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Are you freaking serious?

tell the "white community" to accept and embrace them as part of their own and let me know how they take it.lol

That's what people should be fighting for! I was actually in refernce to black people with regards to the previous person's comment though. Cause some black people act as though mixed race people have to pass a test of 'blackness' before they can belong to them. I'm sorry yeh, but i shiouldn't have to try and act any differently to be accepted by the black community!! My black family accept me for who I am regardless, and so do my friends, so frankly i don't care about those ppl who don't.

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"the one drop rule is actually an isnsult to black people

its like whatever cant be sorted out into the other races we can chuck it into the black box under the one drop rule."

this is so true and not just biracials
black people are expected to accept all "misfits" that aren't accepted by their group or don't quite fit in anywhere else.
except gay folks.lol

I don't like the way you've put that, although i get what you're saying. the way you put it almost sounds as though black people are more important than those 'misfits'.


Also please note, there's certain people's responses I simply cba to respond to anymore.

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Also please note, there's certain people's responses I simply cba to respond to anymore.
mmmmmmm hmmmmmmm......



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mmmmmmm hmmmmmmm......
yeh cause its obvious, u just have a problem with white ppl.

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yeh cause its obvious, u just have a problem with white ppl.
Really? who doesn't?


And I am not saying that black people are better than "misfits" they should just have their own "misfit" group. Why should they be tossed in the black community when aren't even black.

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yeh cause its obvious, u just have a problem with white ppl.
Imagine that.



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most mixed race people will choose a race by the time they are 18 that they feel most comfortable associating with.

no matter what race they choose tho, they will be seen and treated as a black here in america.

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I respect Americans for there realness. Most whites sees biracial people as black or non-white. There are countries that are predominantly black who see very fair skinned biracials a white but even in those countries they see many mixed race people as black. In my own country there isn't really a mixed race catagory and there is a law of majority black rule. Meaning if you are biracial you are counted as black. The majority of the mixed race people in my country don't have one white parent and one black one. So they don't have the history like those in the UK. But many of the biracial people here with parents of another race identify more with blacks. I would guess that a coloured South African or perdo brazilian would have more in common with their fellow country men than they do with a mixed race person from anywhere.

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most mixed race people will choose a race by the time they are 18 that they feel most comfortable associating with.

no matter what race they choose tho, they will be seen and treated as a black here in america.
Not necessarily. I am treated as hispanic and "other", sometimes black, never white.

Also, against popular belief I don't believe that most mixed-race people choose one race. 9/10 of the mixed-race people I know identify as a mixed-race individual...someone with different ethnicities

I consider myself African-American because of my culture and ethnic heritage, not because of the degree of the color of my skin. If that were the case I would be reppin for the Boriquas.

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Not necessarily. I am treated as hispanic and "other", sometimes black, never white.

Also, against popular belief I don't believe that most mixed-race people choose one race. 9/10 of the mixed-race people I know identify as a mixed-race individual...someone with different ethnicities

I consider myself African-American because of my culture and ethnic heritage, not because of the degree of the color of my skin. If that were the case I would be reppin for the Boriquas.
that was my point really. if you are half black and half white you will be treated as black and i will include non-white. i find the treatment here to be white and non-white so to be treated as anything other than white is still to be treated as black. either way you cut it you WON'T be treated as white.

as far as the boricua comment...how do you think they are treated?

i know plenty of mixed race people and while they all claim all of their heritage they normally associate (hang around) mostly blacks or mostly whites. that's what i see.

and i wasn't referencing the color of your skin. that means nothing. at the end of the day you don't look white so you won't be treated as such.

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that was my point really. if you are half black and half white you will be treated as black and i will include non-white. i find the treatment here to be white and non-white so to be treated as anything other than white is still to be treated as black. either way you cut it you WON'T be treated as white.

as far as the boricua comment...how do you think they are treated?

i know plenty of mixed race people and while they all claim all of their heritage they normally associate (hang around) mostly blacks or mostly whites. that's what i see.

and i wasn't referencing the color of your skin. that means nothing. at the end of the day you don't look white so you won't be treated as such.
I guess its different according to where you live, even inside a country. That's more often than not the case becauseblack people are more likely to hang around in groups of their own, and so are white ppl (just because of common culture), so unless mixed race ppl say hung out just with each other or another race, that's likely to happen, as in some areas there aren't too mnay groups of friends with both white and black ppl.

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I just think people should be described and have the right to who they are, that's all. It causes for less confusion and sides to the argument.

Even if they do associate more with one culture, they should and others should acknowlegde the fact that they have a mixed heritage, without exluding them, as that's just racial predjudice from whatever side its on.

What i don't understand is why black n some mixed people generally agree to the notion of the 'one-drop' rule... and get annoyed when someone opposes it.

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all I'm sayin' is hanging out with a certain crowd or community of people is not going to rearrange your genetic makeup.
If you're white and hang with blacks...you're still white.
If you're black and hang with whites...you're still black.
If you're biracial and you hang out with x you're still biracial.

If someone sees you as black, and you're biracial, at the end of the day you know who/what you are irregardless of what other people think or how they treat you. So I don't buy that argument.

I really think people complicate the issue.

I associate myself more with African issues and lifestyle, but I identify myself as a half white, half black individual. It is not rocket science and honestly I have little sympathy for "tragic mulatto" types. Be true to thyself and you'll be aight. Let everyone else burn their brains out with their confusion but I know who I am and whatever actions by myself or others will never change that.

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Default 16-03-08, 04:52 AM

There is the genetic reality of if your momma is white or your daddy is white, you are half white. No one that I know of, that's Black, at least, denies that,(it's funny and telling, to me how biracials(who are on a certain kind of tip) invariably want to come pop this sh*t to Black folks, instead of popping it to their white kin folks who set the whole thing up that way). No one understands the notion of genetic mixture more than Black folks, particularly in AMerica. That is what that is. Race in AMerica however is not just based on genetics. So yeah when you go home, you know that you are half this, or one quarter that, but identity is not just about what you are when you are walking around your house. You can see yourself whatever way you want to, in your house, but when you walk your ass out into the world to navigate it, certain things will be brought to bear on you, that have nothing to do with how you see yourself, and that's not just true of biracials, btw.

I think I made the argument very early in this thread that perceived reality often trumps reality. I used the example of a white cop standing across from you on a dark night, who PERCEIVES you to be dangerous because he PERCEIVES you as Black and PERCEIVES you to have a gun. Now, in reality NONE of those perceptions may be true......but when he pulls out his gun and shoots and kills your ass as he has the authority and power to do based on his PERCEPTION, the reality of you being laid out on the pavement with 41 bullets in you or some sh*T, is going to trump the fact that you weren't any of the things he incorrectly PERCEIVED you to be. The fact that it was in fact YOUR view of yourself(you were biracial,not Black, you weren't at all dangerous, and in fact quite non threatening, and you didn't have a gun,lol) that was the correct one and not HIS view of you, will not make you any less DEAD.

Black people in AMerica's reasons for appearing to insist on people of mixed parentage CHOOSING an identity, irrespective of their genetic make up, is rooted in very practical reasons. HIstorically, and even now to some degree, we couldn't afford to have people around us who were going to be hemming and hawing and fence sitting about whether they were a part of and loyal to our community or not(for ANY reason), then feeling allegiance to the white community the next day. That person could and would be as part of the community, privy to certain activities and plans regarding our struggle and resistance(might be something as seemingly benign as a church meeting to plan a sit in or something), or just privy to sh*t that we would rather have remain among ourselves. That could be very dangerous for us. So, the pressure was not so much having to do with WHAT you chose, as much as it had to do with THAT you chose, and that you not be around us, if you weren't going to be "all the way down', for WHATEVER reason.......

This is why most of us didn't have a problem with people who "passed", especially if you were the type to wanna pass because you didn't really FEEL Black or u were on some "tragic mulatto" ish. It was almost like we'd rather that you just go away from our community and cast your lot totally with white folks, than remain in our community on some "neither fish nor fowl" sh*t(identity/cast your lot with,wise, not genetically wise, mind u). We didn't have to worry about the person who was passing selling us out, undermining us, sabotaging us, cause they weren't going to be around us or be privy to anything we were doing, anyway. That worked out for everybody involved.

As far as Black folks or mixed folks accepting the one drop rule, I don't think it's any different than a whole lot of other sh*t