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I consider them to be what they are, mixed race. To be honest I dont really trust them I have come across too many mixed race people who identify as black but think they are better because of their european features. But I blame black people for giving them that superiority complex becausewe are the ones who have placed them on a pedal stall because of their european resemblence but thatsanother story.
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aint that the truth. aint got nothing against these people. the issue is about us blks and how we view them.you summed it up in my opinion. besides if we never tollerated their vain superiority they wouldnt have power.
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NOT ALL MIXED RACE BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT A LOT DO..... SOMETIMES JUST NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE HALF BLACK HALF WHITE.... U GOT COOLIES LIKE THAT TOO. THOUGH THEM LOT AINT EVEN THAT BAD...
YOU NEED TO CHECK OUT SOME OF LATINO/HISPANIC WEBSITES, THE INDIAN WEBSITES, SOMALION WEBSITES, ARAB WEBSITES,CHINESE WEBSITES.. THESE PEOPLE GOT WORDS FOR BLACKS IN THEIR LANGUAGES... ITS PROPAR BAD ... RACIST..... IM TELLING YOU THESE NON WHITES ARE WORSE THAN WHITE PEOPLE IM SORRY...
THERE ARE A FEW MIXED WEBSITES, ONE IN PARTICULAR DEDICATED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE HALF WHITE AND HALF SOUTH EAST ASIAN (LIKE KOREAN, JAPANESE, CHINESE, PHILIPINO) THEM PEOPLE THINK THEY R THE SHIT IM TELLING U... LOL
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Wow Dark Prince! That's the longest post I've ever seen from you. Lots of food for thought. I'm too tired to respond right now, I'll get back atcha in the am, nighty night...
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Ehem, I have made far longer post and I don't think there was so much food thought...though I am somewhat exeausted, I will respond to whatvere respons ypu will write later. Haven't been sleepin for two days as well as working and practicing martial arts, so I need some rest...bye
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I DONT THINK MIXED RACE PEOPLE TEND TO BE BETTER LOOKING, FIRSTLY MIXEDPEOPLE COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHADES AND HAIR TEXTURES JUST LIKE BLACKS, SO WHAT R U ON ABOUT....
I JUST THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAPPY AND PROUD OF WHAT AND WHO THEY R...
IVE SAID IT B4, BEAUTY COMES IN ALL DIFFERENT FLAVOURS AS DOES UGLINESS...
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Who are you refering this to? Because I never said anything about looks.I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
I was giving an example of some positive instead of negative.
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I DONT THINK MIXED RACE PEOPLE TEND TO BE BETTER LOOKING, FIRSTLY MIXEDPEOPLE COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHADES AND HAIR TEXTURES JUST LIKE BLACKS, SO WHAT R U ON ABOUT....
I JUST THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAPPY AND PROUD OF WHAT AND WHO THEY R...
IVE SAID IT B4, BEAUTY COMES IN ALL DIFFERENT FLAVOURS AS DOES UGLINESS...
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Who are you refering this to? Because I never said anything about looks.I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
I was giving an example of some positive instead of negative.
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I WAS ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO ACKEE AND SALTFISH
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I DONT THINK MIXED RACE PEOPLE TEND TO BE BETTER LOOKING, FIRSTLY MIXEDPEOPLE COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHADES AND HAIR TEXTURES JUST LIKE BLACKS, SO WHAT R U ON ABOUT....
I JUST THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAPPY AND PROUD OF WHAT AND WHO THEY R...
IVE SAID IT B4, BEAUTY COMES IN ALL DIFFERENT FLAVOURS AS DOES UGLINESS...
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Who are you refering this to? Because I never said anything about looks.I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
I was giving an example of some positive instead of negative.
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I WAS ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO ACKEE AND SALTFISH
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The only confusing thing I see in this arguement is the use and true meaning of "black and white". How can we expect to label an individual based on a system of pseudo-categories? Black and white does not address ethnicity AT ALL. It is used mainly to categorize the PHENOTYPE of an individual. African and black are not synonymous, and neither should be european and white. Genotype affects phenotype but it can never be the other way around: ex. if there are two mixed race people (both mixed with black and white) and one is much lighter almost to the point of looking white and the other is darker, to the point of look black, they are both equally African (as they share half of their DNA w/an African parent) but obviously not equally "black". make sense? this is just all my opinion btw lol.
On a personal note on this issue, I do believe that while everyone has a self identity, we all also possess an identity that reflects society's outward perception of us, and as much as we don't like to admit it, we are well aware of it and it can even affect our self-identity.
Personally I regard myself as mixed-race, but I am not uncomfortable or confused if others see me as black, although I might be if someone ever tried to call me white. I know I am part African and part European, and that's REAL...regardless of what I look like to others.
*edited to add that I also identify strongly with my West African culture, something alot of people in this country (U.S.) do not pick up on.
People often subconsciously transfer their own confusion of others' identities to those people then have the nerve to comment on that person's "identity crisis" lol.
Being bi-racial and bi-culture should probably make me among the most "confused" but I know what my favorite food is, I have my own style, I know that my favorite color is orange, I got my sarcasm from my [euro father], my deep compassion and deeper brown eyes from my [African] mother, my shyness from my [euro] grandfather, my sense of humor from my [African] grandfather etc. etc.. i'm fine, thankyou and about as confused as any other 22 year old human being.  blkrainbowfro
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The only confusing thing I see in this arguement is the use and true meaning of "black and white". How can we expect to label an individual based on a system of pseudo-categories? Black and white does not address ethnicity AT ALL. It is used mainly to categorize the PHENOTYPE of an individual. African and black are not synonymous, and neither should be european and white. Genotype affects phenotype but it can never be the other way around: ex. if there are two mixed race people (both mixed with black and white) and one is much lighter almost to the point of looking white and the other is darker, to the point of look black, they are both equally African (as they share half of their DNA w/an African parent) but obviously not equally "black". make sense? this is just all my opinion btw lol.
On a personal note on this issue, I do believe that while everyone has a self identity, we all also possess an identity that reflects society's outward perception of us, and as much as we don't like to admit it, we are well aware of it and it can even affect our self-identity.
Personally I regard myself as mixed-race, but I am not uncomfortable or confused if others see me as black, although I might be if someone ever tried to call me white. I know I am part African and part European, and that's REAL...regardless of what I look like to others.
*edited to add that I also identify strongly with my West African culture, something alot of people in this country (U.S.) do not pick up on.
People often subconsciously transfer their own confusion of others' identities to those people then have the nerve to comment on that person's "identity crisis" lol.
Being bi-racial and bi-culture should probably make me among the most "confused" but I know what my favorite food is, I have my own style, I know that my favorite color is orange, I got my sarcasm from my [euro father], my deep compassion and deeper brown eyes from my [African] mother, my shyness from my [euro] grandfather, my sense of humor from my [African] grandfather etc. etc.. i'm fine, thankyou and about as confused as any other 22 year old human being. blkrainbowfro
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It was about time someone gave a personal account on this matter; some people are just working with assumption here, thanks for educating us Afriki.
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When you were a teenager, did you sometimes wish that you were white? And if yes, in what situations? How did that affect your relationship with people around you?
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I take people on a case by case basis. that's the only way I can treat people
But as a collective group of people though, it can be argued that mixed race people are the historic nemesis of black peoples throughout the ages
It could be argued that wherever mixed people have emerged in great number, black people have subsequently declined
Make of that what you will
Its a shame to see
Brothers killing themselves
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Most of this thread seems to be about just black/white
I'm half indian and half jamican. Ill agree mixed raced people are confused (espeically black/white)but its not thier fault, its NON mixed people who cause the problem by expecting them to fit it to one race or the other.
I used to try an fit in with more black peope because i knew white people will never see me as white ( this is not anything to do with the fact im NOT white at all because most people assume im black/white, espeically whites) , but black peoplewill treat me almost the same as they would another black person. However i grew up and realised ;
1) Black people can be just as racist towards mixed raced people as whites can. (which is sadbecause i thought they where an 'accepting race' but iguess thier human!)
2) 'People of colour' does not mean a damn thing because 'separate' races all hate each other i.eindians hate blacks..
3) I have to feel sorry for all those mixed raced people who try and fit in with half of who they are all thier life because non mixed people cant accept/are scared ofwhat they dont understand.
3) All of the above are genrelised and of course thier arepeople of all different 'colours' that are not ignorant,soits does not apply to them.
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Interesting. I don't see the word as negative. I use it interchangeably with African, African American, etc.
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Well in my parents native languafge it isn't. But in most euro language anything with the dark as pefix is bad, bad, bad. With that said I still use itall the freaking time and don't punch people in the face (a bad habit I had, duringmy teens, I was ready to duke it with fists when people used various versions"negro" to verbally abuse me)for using it. Above all, my skin colour is actually brown, so if you are to refer to me or my people (even darkest africans are actuallya shade of darkbrown)why not do it correctlyconfused3 ?
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Of course, it doesn't make sense. It never did. That's beside the point, though. Everyone here is acting as if ALL white folks did was SAY thus and so, and we accepted it. For the umpteenth time, they had/have(to some extent), the POWER to implement/enforce/institutionalize their SAYSO. It doesn't matter if setting up a society on a cockeyed racial premise makes sense, is fair, is logical or anything else. Hitler's musings on racial purity and Jews didn't make sense(hell, some say HE was part Jewish), but any Jewish person who sat around trying to ARGUE/DEBATE that("I'm not Jewish Mr. Hitler, I'm German"), and there were some who did, instead of developing a strategy, and getting the hell out of Dodge, was a damn fool, and likely a dead fool.
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I agree, whole heartedly. I am aware (duh)that white folks had some sort of power to implement this system and thought.That's not what Iam disputing.What we have here is an attempt to change this already corrupt system by making it so that biracial are not black. I mean it's inherent in this very system that biracials are black or at least not YT (remember there is no such thing as a "0,5 YT" ). But is the situation the same today. I have propsed forcin our own view...the jews go by the mother for instance the arabs by the father. YT, both.
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And it makes sense for them to hold on to those self identifications in THOSE environments, as long as it works for them(though whether it continues to work for them,is debateable). My point was, once our ancestors ended up in the bottom of those ships, shackled together, irrespective of their previous ethnic identifications/cultral disparities(being controlled by folks who didnt' give a sh*t about such distinctions and treated them ALL equally, horrendusly), to continue to focus on that and not ADAPT to their CURRENT situation, would have been idiotic and sucicidal.
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I agree. And I think need to make it clear you. I have grown up in household which fed hundreds of african stundents from all over africa, with a different religoiuns at all. We didn't give a **** about such shyt, cause in Eurpe we are all ******s. Yep, I said it. Even in my family when somebody start some "tribal talk", I get uneasy because as reality stands that just bullshyt (despite that my tribe has been very influential in terms of african civiliastion etc). Even though I don't live in a nation that's "racist" or so(we more or less"lack" the institutionlised racism the govermenthas been doing some interesting shyt such banning "negro balls" as offensive and the people listen to government ans thus very few refer to choclad ballsas such, also we are avery socialist nation, I can tell you more via MPM or whatvere they call it)compared to the shyt you go through, I have always seen myself as "black" (though I prefer not to be seen as merely that)and never ever been ashamed (well when some peeps emberras themselves I feel shame, because it will come back at me and people will rant about it,like the time when a kenyan teacher on TV said that african kids needed to be hit/smacked to learn while YT kids didn't, she had never taught any YT kids as far I know, God knows I was ashamed when shesaid that), even though I grew up with relativelyfew blacks (more black either means some sort of strenght or we start to compete...against each other). With that said I don't run around with myblack fist to make my presence known (though my blackness, pun intended, does that anyway). I see black/african people, not various religouns or tribes, nations. I evenquestion african nationalism sometimes (because among manu other things we didn't write the borders), but at the same time it's closest we come to a sometimes needed unifcation. That's why I understand why Nigerians are like they are (patriotic and usually ver pro-black), theyhave200 languages and many religiouns (truth be said,I sometimes think the muslims there can slack off).That's brings alot of issues. And as it seems blackness is not a reason enough to unify so they take nationalism. And it sort of works.
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Classic European behavior. THEY understand instinctually, the need to unify among themselves and to sow discord and disunity in all they seek to conquer/vanquish/control, and more importantly, they KNOW thatthe tacticWORKS. Africans/Black folks world wide, have YET to grasp that, even 5 hundred years into the game.
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I always heard this whole unifcation shyt, byt what does it mean concretely ? Does it mean that we all recognise that we are "black"according to the EuroRacial System. I mean that's why I think it hasn't worked yet. We don'r know what we get through it or by adhering to, and there are few examples today that probe what good it could do, no to mention that people (usually euros) have succesfully undermined it. Personally I don't thinkunification is the sole solution to our problems, though it could solve a fee wars. For eaxmple look at europe,they have been "unified" for a very long time , at least 150 years (when the euros divided africa like a cheese,they were IMHO, pretty unifed ). Despite this they have notONE butTWO GREAT YT WARS. So all african conflicts can surely not be solved by us being "unified". Off course, you have not said this, I am merely making a few examples. I would rather unify woth somebody that shares my mindset than something else. While race matters more or less depending on location, I have learned mindset always matters everywhere. there are some black I would never want to unify in any sense with, because they are despicable (Mobuto for instance). You see I am grown up with the whole Kombaya, we are all one great HUMAN family (while my family taught me else, society teaches us Kombaya), and Ilike the premise, unrealistci as it may be...the whole doesn't look that way...at all. Even where I live there is alot of shyt that you can see, though it's usually hidden (this sentence feels darn contradictive but you get thepoint), open racism (ala laws)is rare. Note this nation is different, blacks are prefered in comparationto some others groups. It'complex.
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My point is whatwill unification do ? How does it benefit the average african ? Look at africa today, do you know who the people who rape, torture and murder african women and children are ? I know and they ain't YT ? . Until we see what unification can or does, few of us will embrace is, that is at least what I think. We do to far much shyt today, for unificatiion to aid.
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No sir, I don't think it was good for AA's to have to disregard our singular focus/obssession with our original ethnicities/cultures. I KNOW it was NECESSARY,though. My ancestors would not have survived, and I wouldn't be here, for u and I to be having this conversation, if they hadn't done that.
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I agree as well, you see , even though it may see seem as I thought it was bad,I don't. Survival is what important. With certain regulations of course (preying on you already downthrodden people to able to buy rims a new house or cater euro agendais not accetable). Since I am for somewhat revamp of culture I have no issues with it.
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The attempted slave rebellions on various slave ships, could not have even gotten off the ground, had those people not had enough sense to know that they NEEDED to be able to communicate with people who a few minutes ago were their sworn enemies. They had to learn each other languages on the fly. They had to become a new people on the fly. The reality they had known before, had no place, and would not benefit them, in this new REALITY. They survived because they ADAPTED. I've said it before on another thread, and I'll say it again. The BIGGEST advantage Europeans have over Blacks/Africans is their willingness and lighting speed ability to adapt and to adjust to a given situation/envionment. Europeans are arrogant, but not stupidly, so. Their arrogance rarely gets in the way of them making necessary adjustments to enhance/protect their interests. Our arrogance/pride, sometimes renders us stupid. We as collective will hold on to practices/ways for dear life, that no longer serve us, or outright harm us in our CURRENT enviroment/situation, out of willfullness/pridefullness/arrogance, even while having our asses handed to us, by white folks. There is a fine line between pride/resolve and foolishness/self sabotage. We are on the wrong side of that line, WAY too often, for my taste.
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I could marry you for this very part of the post.Jokes aside this pragmatism at it's best.
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Point taken. Well, if among Continental Africans, there is still a question or debate about whether or not unifying and giving up some of the past beefs/affilitations/ways, would have been/would be worse than what Crackers have done/continue to do, to the Continent and ALL of their cultures, that speaks for itself. I can tell u with certainty, that the position that my ancestors were in, left no room for such ponderings/musings/debate/confusion. THe answer was CLEAR as day, as far as what they needed to do. It's kind of like a job or relationship situation that has supposedlygone bad. If you still have the inclination/ability to weigh the pros and cons of it, , then apparently things haven't gotten bad ENOUGH for you. Because once they do, all of that dillydallying/hemming andhawing, will go out of the window,lol. There will be no question as to what you should be doing, and further more, you will DO it, ASAP.
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Point taken, I am not sure if "unification" could have helped anyways. I mean there was some very instances of unification. IT would have helped directly after our independence, though it was there in some nations.
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One thingI rememeber reading was how AA went to Ethiopia to fight Italy during YT WAR 2. Some might wonder why ? I don't, cause I know why...
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Really? How so? AA's are the MOST cohesive, unified group of Black people in the world, as far as I can tell, STILL, andone of the MOST cohesive groups, period.It's part of the reason we get described as monolithic, not thinking outside the box/being stuck in the past, why we all get painted with same brush, why "rare" Blacks like Obama who don't fit the prototype get thrown up in our colletive faces,lol..It's Why you haveyour prerequisite number of Tom's/sellouts whothink they can get rich by setting themselves apart from the rest of us, and incurring favor with Mr. Charlie(not implying this is so of Obama). This is ESPECIALLY true, when some racial ish jumps off. Furthermore, I don't care about us being un unified ALL THE TIME,( as long as we are when it MATTERS. White folks aren't unified ALL THE TIME,(it's pure mythology that they are)that's impossible. They have as many schisms/divisions/differing agendas as we , or any other group of human geings, do. The difference is, they know WHEN to put that sh*t aside, and get on the same page. Black folks,historically, and toa large extent now,;ESPECIALLY outside of America, DON'T. Therein, lies the problem.
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I was looking at it from a more societal/community perspective. Regardless of that, the last time I saw something like that was the civil rights march and that was 40 years ago. My point iswith the issues plaugingblack america (which coincidentally is similiar to africas insome isstances)one would rise a brow at the claim that you were unified. I think we have a different definition of unification. But I can tell you, there are many groupsin the world that aremonolithic, pretty much every(east in particular) Asian group/nation/etcnecity can be described as "monolithic, not thinking outside the box/being stuck in the past, why we all get painted with same brush", which is pretty much clear, but above all more so than AA, just my opinion. I can'tsay if AA are mostunified black group, becauseI am not sure, but it seems plausible.I mean Bill Cosbys comments as well As Oprahs "innercity" comment showed that there was more than opposing views.
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Unified in the past, yes most defintely...now...hmm, maybe if look at it from the voting bot, where 89 % vote democratic...
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And to be frank sometimes I wonder if even YT folks are that unified even when they need to. Or at least seemingly should.
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Unification for African/Black folks could/would never have occured naturally. It would have to be forced. The proof of that is, that even when it's FORCED, or the OBVIOUS strategy, we still can't manage it, by and large(unless the pressure is massive and constant, like in Amerikkka). It's not in our makeup. As far as turning non Black, or this society not seeing us/treating us as Black, FAT CHANCE,lol. Not in America, at least. When that happens, which will probably be about the same time hell freezes over, if we all decided to scatter to the 4 winds, so be it. Again, I don't care about Black folks not uniting when there is no reason to. I care about us being to stupid to do so when there IS a reason. Observe white folks in their daily activities, they act like they hate each other, barely speak, but let some sh*t jump off that may adversely affect their collective/white supremacy/status/white privelege, and watch how they clique up and get on the same page.
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The underlined wasn't mean that way, But take OJ Simpson his successes meant he could pass for some while....then shyt hits the fan and all of sudden he is black aain. Fora moment, man thought he wasn't black, then did some shyt and voila, black gain. That's what I was meaning. And how the hell did YT get so focused, was there anything massivle dangerous in their cause ? We had various agressive and expansionist folks, They have had what ? The Ottoman Empire ? They were fighting those at the same times as fighting us...I would say culture hadsome impact. Especially religioun had some. Even then they hade massive wars among themselves for that. Maybe you will say the system unified them, but they had to bes somwhat unified to create itfrom the beginning. Maybe something ittle created this unification in purpose and mutual interest. And like an avalanche it had it's own life. Maybe religioun/culturehad some hand in it. For example, Christians are superiour, then euro christians are superiour and then simpleeuros...it's very simplictic, of course we have "science" (sarcasm)as well, whoinfluenced. But something must have made them go from germans are dirty murderous heathen *******s tothey are our pale brothers. I know aboutthe curse of Canaanand that seemingly justfied slavery for instance and mayexaplain our place in the system. But instead of religioun we have science and instead of Caana/Ham we have genes. But that's aleap anyways.
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