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I do not agree that mixed race people are 'black'.I think that there should be a clear distinction between the two.I believe that mixed race people should also be proud of what they are and be known as mixed race, as that is what they are.
Often mixed race people are used to represent 'black' - on magazine covers for example, and the true black image is marginalised. The 'real' black is disregarded.This is not a true representation of what black is and I believe that this is a factor in the way that black people feel about mixed race people.
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Well, the issue is that we are also "mixed" too. So we have to be careful when deciding what is "Black"/African or not. I don't think we should push down on mixed-bloods who id as "Black". If they accept us, we should accept them. But I do understand what you are saying. We should make sure the world knows our true face. That is that we mostly a dark-skinned people.
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Wow...as someone mixed I'd take offence to the above statement, how could you say "mixed person you're accepted as black because you want to ID as black HOWEVER you're not our TRUE FACEto be shown to the world,so r mixed people the "understated/not broadcastblack people??"
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SOUNDS LIKE A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS,,,
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SIMPLER TO KNOW THAT "BLACK" IS "BLACK" AND "MIXED" IS "MIXED" AND THEN NO ONE NEEDS TO WORRY ABOUT WHO THE "TRUE FACE" IS SUPPOSED TO BE..
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It is well known that "Whites" have theories about the best looking and most intelligent among us. They even developed a science to explain why mixed folks seemed to be more successful. So they favored light-skinned folks. . .which in turn helped us to begin a war of colorism within our own communities. Africans turning to skin-lightening techniques, trying to change their hairstyle, and also pursuing cosmetic surgery.
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In America, the most common insult for another African besides the n-word is "Black". We call the most dark-skinned people "Black" thing or "Black" that. We have a history within our own cinema of associating lighter skinned with good characters and dark-skinned oneswith evil.
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There can be no denying that.
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We did this, when most of us are darker skinned anyway.
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The "mixed" look, irregardless of heritage, is the "in" look. Halle Berry, Barack Obama, etc., etc. is the look America favors. We have a diversity of skin tones within our community. But most of us definitely don't look like that. When talking about beauty or intelligence within our community, we should be mindful of that. There is no need for us to indulge in this sort of internalized racism. It can only destroy us.
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“If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning.
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12-03-07, 05:50 PM
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I was speaking to a friend the other day, and we stared arguing about barack obama. my friend said that he doesnt know why people keep calling him black, he aint black, he is mixed race.
he believes that barack should stopcalling himself a black man and that the media should stop saying that he could become the first 'black president'. According to him obama is mixed race/biracial, therefore he cannot represent or speak for black people.
we both have contrasting views on mixed race people. My friend strongly questions their allegiance to the black race, whereas I believe that black is black and advocate the one drop rule.
i do admit that some mixed race people (especially those in britain) do not see themselves as black and despise the black blood running through their veins, but overall I do see most mixed race/biracial people as part of our race.
i just wanted to know what the members of the board think abouth mixed race people.
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I totally agree Flash, I and my mate were discussing this subject just today. Mixed race people are turning out to be one of the most racist set of people next to the indians and the whites. Some of the comments, and the way they express them are coming directly from their white side. They would rather be seen with a white partner than a black or they stick soley with their own purely for racist beliefs and is on par with the so called Coloureds in South Africa.
White people cannot be trusted around black kids whether they are mixed or adopted.
I know a black girl that was adopted by whites and was constantly told that she is not to marry a black man when she is old enough, so imagine what they tell their mixed raced children. No wonder they are mentally not stable people. Anyway that girl married my cousin and now have a big house in Florida. One in the eye of her racist white adopters. 
Funny though, mixed race people back in the old days were more black than modern day and were always considered black.
And as God cast the murderer out of eden he said on to him "So that the good people of the earth shall see when you come and know you for what you are, I shall give you a mark; your children and all your children's and children shall bare this mark"[
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12-03-07, 08:47 PM
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I was speaking to a friend the other day, and we stared arguing about barack obama. my friend said that he doesnt know why people keep calling him black, he aint black, he is mixed race.
he believes that barack should stopcalling himself a black man and that the media should stop saying that he could become the first 'black president'. According to him obama is mixed race/biracial, therefore he cannot represent or speak for black people.
we both have contrasting views on mixed race people. My friend strongly questions their allegiance to the black race, whereas I believe that black is black and advocate the one drop rule.
i do admit that some mixed race people (especially those in britain) do not see themselves as black and despise the black blood running through their veins, but overall I do see most mixed race/biracial people as part of our race.
i just wanted to know what the members of the board think abouth mixed race people.
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I totally agree Flash, I and my mate were discussing this subject just today. Mixed race people are turning out to be one of the most racist set of people next to the indians and the whites. Some of the comments, and the way they express them are coming directly from their white side. They would rather be seen with a white partner than a black or they stick soley with their own purely for racist beliefs and is on par with the so called Coloureds in South Africa.
White people cannot be trusted around black kids whether they are mixed or adopted.
I know a black girl that was adopted by whites and was constantly told that she is not to marry a black man when she is old enough, so imagine what they tell their mixed raced children. No wonder they are mentally not stable people. Anyway that girl married my cousin and now have a big house in Florida. One in the eye of her racist white adopters. 
Funny though, mixed race people back in the old days were more black than modern day and were always considered black.
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Well, I can see the time coming when "Black" folks simply stop accepting mixed people. That will be a sad day. But I can see no other way. I really love mixed folks who id with us. That is the honest truth. But the harsh reality is that extending someone a group identity, only to see your hand knocked away isn't pleasant.
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And "Black" folks can get just as angry or become just as bitter as any other folk.
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“If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning.
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13-03-07, 04:35 PM
Why is it that some people on this site love to generalise when it comes to mixed race/asian/white but if someone generalises about black people in the media or where ever people dont like it at all. Treat others as you would like to be treated...
P.s this isnt aimed at everyone so dont all jump on me, just a few people on this thread but I cant be bothered to go back look at their display names, one in particular on this page though
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13-03-07, 04:59 PM
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Why is it that some people on this site love to generalise when it comes to mixed race/asian/white but if someone generalises about black people in the media or where ever people dont like it at all. Treat others as you would like to be treated...
P.s this isnt aimed at everyone so dont all jump on me, just a few people on this thread but I cant be bothered to go back look at their display names, one in particular on this page though
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It doesn't have as much to do with generalizing as ithas to do with reality.
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I have campaigned time and again onbehalf of themixed race folk who id as being "Black".Many of these folks are bi-cultural like Alicia Keys.They proudly wear their Africanness as well as their other culturalinspirationsand influences. I think that is right and good.
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But I know my people. We extend this "privilege" to many folks who still slap our hands away as though we insulted them. I know they don't speak for all mixed people. But they absolutely claim that they do.
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And you can go to mixedfolks.com or mulatto.org to get that understanding, if I have failed to give it to you here. They are not "Black" and they are absolutely insulted if someone refers to them as being "Black". They are angered that we would actually think to call them one of us. . .African-Americans.. .the sons and daughters of "Whites", Africans, and American Indians.
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It would be different if they simply said they were repping for themselves. But that isn't what they do.
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13-03-07, 06:41 PM
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I think of them as MIXED RACE i.e. black and white.... and until someone can prove to me that a white man/woman can have/give birth to a fully African/black child (no half African and no artificial shshsh) theni shall continue to see them aswhat they are MIXED RACE.
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I think the nail is being hit on the head here in terms of the simplistic conclusion of the identity of mixed race people. Abissinia describes mixed race from her perspective as "i.e. black and white." Quite simple that description, so easy to arrive at what would be considered black or not. However, this is oversimpllistic and as we know people who are decendents of several 'races' may in complexion be one thing, in culture something else and on paper something else again.
On being mixed race is a complex subject fraught with micro and macro dynamixs. I have no doubt that Abissinia considers Bob Marley as Mixed Race but it is my view that he is Black.
Identity is at the heart of this subject and on the one hand is completely subjective from both the perspective of the invidiual concerned and that of those who consider themselves 'un-mixed'!
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13-03-07, 09:46 PM
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I think of them as MIXED RACE i.e. black and white.... and until someone can prove to me that a white man/woman can have/give birth to a fully African/black child (no half African and no artificial shshsh) theni shall continue to see them aswhat they are MIXED RACE.
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I think the nail is being hit on the head here in terms of the simplistic conclusion of the identity of mixed race people. Abissinia describes mixed race from her perspective as "i.e. black and white." Quite simple that description, so easy to arrive at what would be considered black or not. However, this is oversimpllistic and as we know people who are decendents of several 'races' may in complexion be one thing, in culture something else and on paper something else again.
On being mixed race is a complex subject fraught with micro and macro dynamixs. I have no doubt that Abissinia considers Bob Marley as Mixed Race but it is my view that he is Black.
Identity is at the heart of this subject and on the one hand is completely subjective from both the perspective of the invidiual concerned and that of those who consider themselves 'un-mixed'!
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Very insightful. Yes, this is all subjective because the very nature of race is subjective. When a race-minded person expresses their "mixed" identity. They are really speaking in a cultural sense. They are claiming they are not to be associated with African Culture. I feel that we as Africans should accepted the mixed folks who do recognize that African connection.
But Fem, it's hard to explain the frustration that Africans feel when talking about certain mixed people. Here is a person, with the blood of Africa, basically slapping us in our faces. They make it appear as if we are begging for them to be "Black". That alone is beyond belief.
So now, there is talk inmany communities about "mixed" folks, where there was none before. Before, they were us. . .because we were all mixed anyway. But now. . .that time may be coming to an end.
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14-03-07, 05:31 PM
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I wasn't talking to you, I understand what you said and totally agree with you. niceone.gif
I was talking about other people on the thread who go on like mixed race people are all negative. I know some are like that but they were going on like its everyone and I think its unfair to do that.
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I wasn't talking to you, I understand what you said and totally agree with you. niceone.gif
I was talking about other people on the thread who go on like mixed race people are all negative. I know some are like that but they were going on like its everyone and I think its unfair to do that.
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Sorry Ebony, I didn't mean to jump into your business.
And thanks for breaking things down for us.
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14-03-07, 08:30 PM
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Why is it that some people on this site love to generalise when it comes to mixed race/asian/white but if someone generalises about black people in the media or where ever people dont like it at all. Treat others as you would like to be treated...
P.s this isnt aimed at everyone so dont all jump on me, just a few people on this thread but I cant be bothered to go back look at their display names, one in particular on this page though
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It IS unfair to genalize, though generalization does have it's place at times. I defend bi-racial people because I have knownsome who DON'T fit the negative stereotype,often ascribed to all of them. Having said that, common sense and logic tells me that I'm not going to give them the same benefit of the doubt that I automatically give an "fully' Black person, because a biracial person has both more motive and opportunity to do what is being described by some here. I watch ALL Black folks for signs of traitorship/self hate/sellout/Tom tendencies, but my antenna is particularly active around biracials, for obvious reasons. The only diffference I have with the view expressed by some here, is that they seem to feel that no matter what the biracial person in question says/does/ how they allign themselves, they can never be trusted or fully accepted, and should be dismissed out of hand. That I totally disagree with.
I've learned take things on a case by case basis, because I can honestly say that I've seen some bi-racial people be MORE willing to talk honestly about colorism/good hair etc and perceive the foolishness of it/disavow it (Black/Korean singer Amerie comes to mind, just as an example), than some 2 Black parent having light skinned Black folks who want to insist that there is no colorism/preferential treatment/ given to them WITHIN the BLACK community , or even want to insist that being light or more white looking is somehow a DISADVANTAGE and a source of oppression and tragedy, for them, or who actually secretly buy into the sh*t and really DO think they are better. THAT'S the type I have no use for, and I don't care whether they have 1 Black parent or 2 Black parents. If they talk that nonsense/have that view, they are not to be trusted in my estimation, and are consequently, on my lifetime sh*t list.
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