Greetings

I am a person who fits into the category of the aforementioned and am currently in a position to start a youth movement of sorts but to do so i will be needing my peers to join me in doing so. I have had it up to my neck already with elders sitting down in rooms that they rent for their intellectual masterbation sessions to discuss "the youth" as if we are some distant problem, something broken that needs to be fixed. Personally I think they themselves have a lot to fix amongst themselves and I think more importantly that we need to be able to get the power back in our hands to do what we need for ourselves. So I'm putting this out there. I am quite well connected amongst Pan African circles (at least I think I am) and will work towards getting a venue (shouldn't be too hard) but what is it that other 16-25's would want to happen there.

I would like this to be a serious thing, geared towards the progression of our people. I can tell you what I can do for you but I don't know what you want or what can be offered by you as my peers, that is my failing (I spend a little too much time in solitude reading) and I admit to it, so I will not sit on forums and in meetings all day arguing with people, I would actually like to do something in hopes that our cultural and historical understanding can be hightened and subsequently, our own spirits enlightened.

I can share my knowledge of history (mostly ancient history, from 5590 BCE to 1500AD, thereafter I know but do not really read up on in detail)

I have access to a large catalogue of DVD's mostly again to do with history but a lot of very relevant stuff to do with our present day situation (obviously for viewings)

I will also from time to time be able to get in speakers if that is wanted on various subjects.

And I have a good knowledge of good books to read if people enjoy history and philosophy.

But mainly I would like to get together to simply reason with other people about who we are and what is necessary for our elevation. I do not want to teach anyone or dictate to anyone, I would simply like to share with you all and find out what is necessary for us to take collective responsibility for ourselves. I repeat, I do not want to teach or dictate to anyone, this is more about the youth taking responsibility for the youth, not adults taking our responsibility from us. Once this is done, we can begin to make moves to alleviate our ills.

I really do want this to be something that comes to fruition and doesn't fade out after three meetings. So, if anyone does have any input, who would like to join me or would like to share their opinion I am open (as long as whoever it is, is not being rude) and you can get me via PM or here.

Hotep

I almost forgot, I'm London (England) Based and am a Pan Africanist and so will be sorting this out here as an African ("black") youth (16-25) group, but should anyone feel the same way elsewhere, feel free to PM me and discuss ideas.

Sounds good to me

Thanks.

I will be watching this space frequently because I really don't want to bother people (organisations) with helping me get this started if I don't know that it will be successful. I've had two replies and will start moving as soon as I get about 10.

nothing.. 16-25 years olds are mostly concerned with own progression rather than a collective group...

Well there are benefits to working with other people for progression. For instance I see you have been having trouble with your faith. Not only could I give you information that would repair your faith I could give you plenty of information on the historical origins of Christianity for your perusal.

If you are 16-25, this may be something you would be interested in. And plus, I am very much interested in my own progression, however I know that there is much a group of people can do to further it as opposed to me working on my own, which also gives me the satisfactionof knowing I may be able to help another progress in life.

Give it some thought.

you are right i am having trouble with my faith, not in christianity... i have already wrote that off... personal experience,

i do notice that as a society helping each other does # have it benifits and people are a lot better off helping each other, especially in this western society... i see the asians doing it all the time up in birmingham, they help each other out with everything and they have gotten very far doing so!!

i am pro black however i try not to seperate myself based on ethnicity, gender or what ever... black movements i think can be a little extreem as it kind of keeps us seperate from those non black individuals...

knowing where we came from, and what has happened to get us here is good, understanding there is still a vast amunt of undercover racisism is good but gathering together as seperates... well its bound to cause up a big scare!!

Then we should have a group that can work to help them do just that.

Think it'd be good to have a task force of sorts, a group of people around our age and younger who are ready to take to the streets getting signatures, generally volunteering to do groundwork. What I have noticed is that people have ideas but don't know where to start, like Kat (sekhmet) with her school petitions it would be good if there were a group of people ready to go out and get people clued up and signing forms, buying newspapers and so on especially as people are 10x more receptive to younger people 16+.

Groups like the G.A.C should have their members dedicate some funds to get a building, all that renting business is just a joke, unessary, especially as they're community focused groups. Nothing wrong with buying out some run down building and fixing it up as a community.

Pick them up at that age, 16, 17 - 19, while they're out there searching for themselves and you'll have it.

Still, I've been trying to contact you for the past couple of months about this and that and haven't heard from you. Even needed some of those Dvds.

And why would you care about a big scare.

I see it like this. Our community is up in arms about the behaviour that it's youth is exhibiting (most of which is sensationalised) but are not willing to do anything about it. I simply wish to bring about a space where we as youth, despite our different political and religious affiliations can get together and take back our own destiny. This should not be a scare. If we are too busy worrying about scaring people outside of our community how then are we to find solutions that will aid our progression because as you can see, our blind integration tactics have only led to further failure within our community. We have spent the better part of 30 years working towards integration and not focussing on our strong cultural morals and values that once led us to great prosperity, but where has that gotten us.

By the way, extremism as seen by anyone is a sign of extremism within their own person. That which is seen as extreme is always diametrically opposed to the ideology of the person who attaches that label. Opposing forces are always equal but opposite. The label given as extreme and separatist will always lead back to a person who is extremely integrationist. If you are to view someone and their ideology as extreme, believe they view you as extreme in another way and do not agree with you. Neither extreme is bad, but understanding leads to a balanced opinion. Do you seek balance? More importantly do you seek wisdom?

I really think you would be someone who would benefit from something like this and would be able to help me find a greater understanding of the positives within your worldview. I believe I will be able to start something like this and will hail you when it begins. Should you choose to take up the invitation is entirely your perogative but your contribution will be most welcome.

Hotep.

Greetings Brother,

I see you can see my vision.

I do not wish this to be part of any particular organisation however(as I am part of one already and do work with others, plus many do not wish to be tied to any organisation) and believe this is for the best.

As for Sekhmet's vision, I have been to various meetings where I had thought I would see here to do with the education reform (including one in nottingham) and understand that the NIEC (National Independant Education Coalition) has taken up her fight. I have been hearing about it through AJAMU. I see this as one person's vision causing a necessary great work, I hope to achieve the same here.

I do want this to be about uplifting our youth and in a sense once we have a reasonably sized collective, we will be able to do all of the things suggested above, but for now I want it to be about us sharing (had a convo with a safe brother about this and realised, most books I have not read but wanted to he has and the ones he wanted to read but hasn't I had read) our knowledge in an attempt to further our progression faster than we would have alone.

As for me not being contactable, I apologise as I lost my phone a while back and haven't e-mailed everyone the new number. I would have thought that you would have PM'd me here if you needed anything and I know you have my e-mail. PM me if you know what DVD's you need and I'll get them for you ASAP.

Hotep Bro.

PS I will definitely be contacting you as soon as I get this up and running.

its really important that we understand that we are no longer in the africas' and Caribbean, and the only thing we can do as aliens, that are becoming more british is to embrace it and integrate it. what obviously doesn't work we try to stop and what does we try to keep.

we live in a society, were children have the power and families/friends whatever have next to no say.. and waiting until late teenage years adulthood is will not have the desired affect.

To have an positive effect it is something that should start at the early stages such as 11/12 possibly earlier, working with families, and young people. (families more so young families such as teenage parents etc)...

i believe we have to step away from movements and organisations as it will only be seen as anti white, and black power... which is negative against all other races... and rather than being seen as equals we are seen as separates...

we have to look at culture and uplifting it like religion as religion and culture almost go hand in hand... you don't want people to see it as an organisation, although that whats religions are, everyday people see it as a way of life and encouragement.

we have to see us as people first then religion then race* though race is really difficult to define, i do not see Asians as black yet they are as being asian is an ethnicity, and black is being non-white... mixed race.. is neither here nor there and non defining as a race but rather excluding from the race category all together.

(some times i have problem closing my points and leave them open or end up on somethign that might not fit exactly into the conversation i apologise, if at times i make no sense or it doesn't fit... it sometimes is how i see things