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08-08-08, 03:20 PM
It seems to me that all that some people can have issue with what Chi is saying here is because she didn't come out and say that they definetly did alter B's picture on purpose. She said that she wouldn't put it past them to do that. Basically people are not really disagreeing here.
They probably did have a look in mind and wanted B's skin tone to kind of blend more with her hair it is probably the look that they were trying to get with the lights.
I don't really have that much of an issue with the lights in this pic my main issue is with dyed weave like i said i don't see the point in hair companies doing stuff like this at all.
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08-08-08, 04:56 PM
Beyonce being made to look light, bright and damn near white is of no surprise to me whatsoever, purely because she's dumb enough to let it happen. No black woman with a single shred of integrity would allow a picture like that isn't anywhere close to being a true representation of who she is be used in an international ad campaign.
Nonsense, plain and simple.
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08-08-08, 07:46 PM
Honestly I don't see anything here that is more extreme than what normally goes on. People are carrying on and using words like "unrecognizable".
I can spot that that's Beyonce from a mile away and by this point I'm used to seeing her lightened in photos and photoshop. Yes, they probably tweaked her features to fit what they feel will sell to the masses (as they do w/non black models as well) but I can still tell it's Beyonce so it can't be that drastic of a difference.
That's Beyonce, it looks like Beyonce, and with someone of her skin color it is VERY common for one to either decide to make her bronze or to make her lighter.
I'm not condoning the underlying reasons behind why they chose to pick up on her lighter tones but I don't see how this photo is so much different than other photos of her and other black photo-shopped women in the media.
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08-08-08, 07:49 PM
and some of you all are acting like Beyonce's nose is flat against face. The woman does have a bridge and depending on her profile it can be long as well and appear to dip downwards.
Beyonce and I have almost the same exact nose. I have a slightly wide bridge and nostrils that flare slightly straight forward, but turned at a downward angle it can look long and I look different in many of my photos because of my nose.
The skin color too is similar in the way it is easily manipulated either way and so there is more tendency and temptation to play with it.
you need only look at Solange to see that similar trait runs in the family
also, looking at it in an analytical way the thing that seems the most strange to Beyonce is the fact that her eyebrows are so much lighter than I'm used to seeing them which only seems to wash her out more. It's not an attractive photo and whoever did the photoshopping/makeup, whatever, someone went wrong IMO as I don't think the colors/lighting do justice to the model or the product.
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08-08-08, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rachie
It seems to me that all that some people can have issue with what Chi is saying here is because she didn't come out and say that they definetly did alter B's picture on purpose. She said that she wouldn't put it past them to do that. Basically people are not really disagreeing here.
They probably did have a look in mind and wanted B's skin tone to kind of blend more with her hair it is probably the look that they were trying to get with the lights.
I don't really have that much of an issue with the lights in this pic my main issue is with dyed weave like i said i don't see the point in hair companies doing stuff like this at all.
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I have no issue with Chi in person.. I do have an issue with someone pretending an issue does not exist when clearly a blind man can see exactly what time it is...
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08-08-08, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Afriki
Honestly I don't see anything here that is more extreme than what normally goes on. People are carrying on and using words like "unrecognizable".
I can spot that that's Beyonce from a mile away and by this point I'm used to seeing her lightened in photos and photoshop. Yes, they probably tweaked her features to fit what they feel will sell to the masses (as they do w/non black models as well) but I can still tell it's Beyonce so it can't be that drastic of a difference.
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Afriki.....Yes you're right but I think like Chi you're totally missing the subtext to all of this... It has been very clear to me at least that of late the only acceptable face of Blackness is one that is biracial..rarely in the UK in any case do you now see any DARK representation of blackness in commercials... Everywhere i look I see light skinned Black women put up as the acceptable face of blackness.. Rarely do i even see a BLACK family anywhere in the media..normally its a MIX race couple to ensure that all their boxes are ticked...
The danger as i see it is that we normalising light skin blacks as the ONLY acceptable standards..and biracial relatinship as the norm..and BLACK relationship as the abnormal... Is it any wonder that skin lightening creams sales have shot up... That European hair is now seen as acceptable and African hair viewed as 'radical'...God I recall simon Cowell on American Idol chastising Jordam sparks for having frizzy hair..calling it 'silly' and the next week he praised he openly for having lie down European hair...
By accepting this we are endanger of cultural genocide when it comes to what we gained from the 70's and all the positive self regard we took from that period...being Black and proud... Listen i'm not trying to be a hair facist..but I do think promoting false hair is one thing..but connecting that to nerar european complexion as the STANDARD for Blackness is nothing short of mental genocide seriously..I don't think the youth crime and the disconnect between my generation and the generation that is apparently intent on murder suicide is not linked...
for me there is a difference between embracing something and assimulation...and we are endanger of assimulating to the detriment of ourselves...
Ps..I aint against Biracial or light skinned sisters..i'm just making a point here...
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08-08-08, 08:41 PM
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Afriki.....Yes you're right but I think like Chi you're totally missing the subtext to all of this... It has been very clear to me at least that of late the only acceptable fact of Blackness is one that is biracial..rarely in the UK in any case do you now see any DARK representation of blackness in commercials... Everywhere i look I see light skinned Black women put up as the acceptable face of blackness.. Rarely do i even see a BLACK family anywhere in the media..normally its a MIX race couple to ensure that all their boxes are ticked...
The danger as i see it is that we normalising light skin blacks as the ONLY acceptable standards..and biracial relatinship as the norm..and BLACK relationship as the abnormal... Is it any wonder that skin lightening creams sales have shot up... That European hair is now seen as acceptable and African hair viewed as 'radical'...God I recall simon Cowell on American Idol chastising Jordam sparks for having frizzy hair..calling it 'silly' and the next week he praised he openly for having lie down European hair...
By accepting this we are endanger of cultural genocide when it comes to what we gained from the 70's and all the positive self regard we took from that period...being Black and proud... Listen i'm not trying to be a hair facist..but I do think promoting false hair is one thing..but connecting that to nerar european complexion as the STANDARD for Blackness is nothing short of mental genocide seriously..I don't think the youth crime and the disconnect between my generation and the generation that is apparently intent on murder suicide is not linked...
for me there is a difference between embracing something and assimulation...and we are endanger of assimulating to the detriment of ourselves...
Ps..I aint against Biracial or light skinned sisters..i'm just making a point here...
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I agree with you on the media's portrayal of black people as only acceptable with European traits or standards, I just don't feel the opposition to this photo matches the crime in this case.
I know what you're saying about the hair thing. Before I even considered her lighter skin/hair/eyebrows, the first thing I thought was "what? they're getting the queen of lacefronts to be a spokesperson for hair-care?" To me that was the highest irony.
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08-08-08, 09:40 PM
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and some of you all are acting like Beyonce's nose is flat against face. The woman does have a bridge and depending on her profile it can be long as well and appear to dip downwards. Beyonce and I have almost the same exact nose. I have a slightly wide bridge and nostrils that flare slightly straight forward, but turned at a downward angle it can look long and I look different in many of my photos because of my nose. The skin color too is similar in the way it is easily manipulated either way and so there is more tendency and temptation to play with it.
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Wow!!! Afriki, This is beginning to sound more and more like a Biology Class, more so a Class in Anthrapology with all this descriptions of how noses are angled, dipped, inclined, and shaped, nostrils, bridge and profile. You in Medical School or something, studying Rhinoplasty, which is the field of altering noses in plastic surgery because those terms sound like a med student?
But seriously you can take Me or anyone, paint them White and still any person can recognize that it is VK, even if I bleach my skin like Michael Jackson. Hell, women who use Ambi and Bleeching Creams to make their skins lighter, sometime even lighter than Beyonce's but still VK can recognize Shaniqua the Skin Bleaching Sister from 5000 miles away. The point here is not that Beyonce looks unrecognizable, but that her features have been altered to give her more of a European look.
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09-08-08, 01:17 PM
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I have no issue with Chi in person.. I do have an issue with someone pretending an issue does not exist when clearly a blind man can see exactly what time it is...
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Kunjufu, you cant tell me that I pretended any issue does not exist.
I have not yet gone beyond giving my opinion of that picture of Beyonce and having to defend that opinion.
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09-08-08, 01:21 PM
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@ Babygirl......I've seen Beyonce in person too, she was quite light and not as dark as she looked in the comparison picture you provided. You have to factor in the lighting on the photo shoot, especially as she is quite light to begin with. Anyone who is light with light hair will look paler than if they had darker hair. It seems that she tans well also and it shows in some of her pictures.
To me, its the hair and the lighting maybe which may make her seem lighter, but as for her features they dont look much different to me especially as she usually has a shaded nose. Thats my honest opinion.
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09-08-08, 01:35 PM
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@baby girl....cool, I respect your view. I wouldn't put it past them to adjust lighting and give her hair that will make her look paler.
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@ Blacklion, my choice of words were appropriate as I see it thankyou.
@ VK, Beyonce looks very light under particular lighting because she reflects it........its self explanatory IMO, and I believe we all know this already or at least have seen it before.
If you think she doesn't tend to look lighter under certian lighting then thats your opinion, I happen to think she does.
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