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10-08-08, 12:03 AM
I am a female i don't think that i read anything that Incognito wrote that really offended me. I am not really bothered by the baby mama topic because maybe i don't really relate to it.
What i did notice about Incognito was his posting style. Of course i also noticed his posts about baby mama's i thought that they were coloured by his experiences but like i said what he was saying did not really offend me. I may not have agreed with what he was saying but i was not that bothered by his opinions and i thought that he was entitled to his opinions.
There are bound to be posts that offend everyone member on this board from time to time.
I don't know if Incognito had some prior warnings if he didn't i think that it would have been a good idea if he did receive some kind of warning before a permanent ban.
I have no idea what MGL did.
I guess Incognito ban was done for the greater good and all that.
About some members not posting anymore people do come and go from boards all the time though some have other things going that they move on.
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10-08-08, 03:19 AM
What! You've taken one of our fellow kopites away. To be honest i dont wonder outside the football forum too often (i used to but for me bnv has gone through some drastic changes) so im surprised to hear that some people had complaints about incognito.
Last edited by tobitrice; 10-08-08 at 03:30 AM.
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Location: UK
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10-08-08, 03:52 AM
Hmmmmmm!!  Did he deserve a bann, he may have being controversial but was he abusive to any particular member here on a personal level?. I know he had some heated arguements but the other party was equally heated.
I have also had attacks on this site and especially when I first came here the amount of abuse the black men were taking; I also had one female that referred to my mother but I didn't report her, she just got a taste of my tounge!
And as God cast the murderer out of eden he said on to him "So that the good people of the earth shall see when you come and know you for what you are, I shall give you a mark; your children and all your children's and children shall bare this mark"
Last edited by BlackArab; 10-08-08 at 04:11 AM.
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Houston, Texas
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10-08-08, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackArab
Hmmmmmm!! Did he deserve a bann, he may have being controversial but was he abusive to any particular member here on a personal level?. I know he had some heated arguements but the other party was equally heated.
I have also had attacks on this site and especially when I first came here the amount of abuse the black men were taking; I also had one female that referred to my mother but I didn't report her, she just got a taste of my tounge!
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Sorry to go off Topic, but How, Why and What is the Motivation for a person to call themselves "Black Arab". Are you an African, A Black Man or an Arab? And why would insults against Black Men bother you since you are not Black yourself, according to your name?
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10-08-08, 09:30 AM
If someone is banned and they really wanted to come back they can do it's not difficult. The fact there is a thread about Incognito being banned shows that whether you loved him or you hated him he left an impression on this place.
In regards to the things he says about his babymother no one can comment cos no one was in that relationship to see what was goin on. Yes we only have his version of events but we don't have any rights to judge or make assumptions or take up sides. I know at some stage people have cussed out their ex partners, maybe not as public as Incognito, but does it mean to say he or you are tarnishing everyone with the same brush? Everyone has been saying Incognito needs to sort himself out when there's nothing wrong with him. He's not ill, he's not having a nervous breakdown, matter of fact he's in the kitchen cooking my breakfast! Joke me a mek but still he's fine.
If you know Incognito well you would know most of his posts are written in a way to get a reaction from people whether good or bad, he chooses his words carefully. If he drops something in a post he wants people to come back with a good arguement, challenge him with valid points don't start cussin and takin it to a personal level cos at the end of the day this is a FORUM. I can look at Incognito's posts and know say most of the time he is running joke and playing devil's advocate so I don't take it seriously. I'm also strong enough and smart enough to know I don't fit into the category of women Incognito talks about so I'm not gonna let that concern me, when I have more pressing things to be concerned about.
I think some people spend too much time on here and get too caught up on things thats not worth gettin caught up on. If someone is gonna leave they will but to say your leavin because of someone elses behaviour on certain threads is a bunch of bullshit. Do we have a bag of pickney in here? Whose the daddy, Kunjufu? Seriously I think some people can't see there is life beyond BNV.
Big ups to Maat and Astmartins on behalf of Incognito
Peace!
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10-08-08, 11:13 AM
To be honest, I'm quite shocked to hear that Incognito was banned. I wasn't really offended by anyhting he said here, in fact to be honest I couldn't really tell you who said what once a discussion is done with on any given day.
I just think he had strong beliefs and had his own way of coming across. I suppose if he was given ample warning its fair, but maybe its a good idea for people not to take everything so personally. There is a difference between heated and passionate discussion and taking it as a personal attack. Then I suppose much depends on personality and how sensitive a person is.
I do hope people haven't left here due to anything I've said, to be honest I dont keep record, but if I had offended anyone to that extent I would sure hope to be given the opportunity to apologise for making them feel that way.
Exhanging views on subjects close to us or important to us can often lead to misunderstandings or assumptions...........we are all human at the end of the day.
I think I would have prefered him to stay, but then the rules are the rules and the decision has been made.
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10-08-08, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by facetygal
If someone is banned and they really wanted to come back they can do it's not difficult. The fact there is a thread about Incognito being banned shows that whether you loved him or you hated him he left an impression on this place.
In regards to the things he says about his babymother no one can comment cos no one was in that relationship to see what was goin on. Yes we only have his version of events but we don't have any rights to judge or make assumptions or take up sides. I know at some stage people have cussed out their ex partners, maybe not as public as Incognito, but does it mean to say he or you are tarnishing everyone with the same brush? Everyone has been saying Incognito needs to sort himself out when there's nothing wrong with him. He's not ill, he's not having a nervous breakdown, matter of fact he's in the kitchen cooking my breakfast! Joke me a mek but still he's fine.
If you know Incognito well you would know most of his posts are written in a way to get a reaction from people whether good or bad, he chooses his words carefully. If he drops something in a post he wants people to come back with a good arguement, challenge him with valid points don't start cussin and takin it to a personal level cos at the end of the day this is a FORUM. I can look at Incognito's posts and know say most of the time he is running joke and playing devil's advocate so I don't take it seriously. I'm also strong enough and smart enough to know I don't fit into the category of women Incognito talks about so I'm not gonna let that concern me, when I have more pressing things to be concerned about.
I think some people spend too much time on here and get too caught up on things thats not worth gettin caught up on. If someone is gonna leave they will but to say your leavin because of someone elses behaviour on certain threads is a bunch of bullshit. Do we have a bag of pickney in here? Whose the daddy, Kunjufu? Seriously I think some people can't see there is life beyond BNV.
Big ups to Maat and Astmartins on behalf of Incognito
Peace!
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Yap,yap,yap,....reh,reh,reh.......Incognito was a CUNT! end of.
I aint asking for nothing,just open the door and i\'ll take it myself-James Brown.
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10-08-08, 12:20 PM
@ Chi & Facetygal,
This is a place where we all should be able to post our views without rancour.
When it came to Incognito, regardless if he meant offence or not, he caused it by his endless rants about Babylon Daughter etc. I personally got fed up with his endless rants - so much so I didn't bother to read much of what he wrote.
Yes, I may have missed his more sane posts, but the fact is I just couldn't be bothered to pick them out. On more than one occasion a seemingly harmless thread was turned into a brawl by a comment he made - not a good thing in my eyes.
I don't know about people leaving because of him (somehow I can't see Sooofresh, Abs & Mez caring that much), but the fact is a lot of females felt uncomfortable with his posts.
I'm all for carthartic cleansing, but this was a joke.
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10-08-08, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jett Black
Yap,yap,yap,....reh,reh,reh.......Incognito was a CUNT! end of.
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10-08-08, 12:48 PM
@ Vezz....fair enough, other women were offended. I'm just saying that personally I wasn't and to be honest I couldn't tell you who has said what after a while on this site.
At the end of the day the decision has already been made.
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Location: Belly of the beast, United Kingdom
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10-08-08, 01:47 PM
Chi & facetygyal: whilst i'm glad that you were not put of by the rants of Incognito, the issue is not one of whether YOU personally found him offensive... The central has to be that everybody should feel comfortable to post and exchange views without being insulted.. and clearly from the views expressed here that was NOT the case...
I am desparately sorry that incognito was excluded, it was a hard decision...but in the end the right decision for him and for BNV..as it is clear We cannot be seen to be colluding with a climate where women feel targeted and discriminated against..and clearly from the comments on this thread thus far....that is the case!!
As you have both acknowledge the decision has been taken and I'm affraid its final and permenant....
Facetygyal you also make an excellent point about people communicating, i agree that i should not be needed to referee discussion its demening to me and demeaning to the people of BNV... It behoves me to keep reminding people that the Moderators were empowered to keep Racist out..they were never INTENDED to control the African users of this space..and i have to say that is an eternal shame that we've had to exclude as many BLACK people from this site as we have...It should also be a real sense of shame to those who have been excluded thus far...real shame..
People keep talking about what we DON'T have here in the UK, and about Unity..BUT when they have an opportunity to develop these principles people choose not to, then blame everyone but themselves for the alleged failure of our community...
We have two unique spaces in which to come to gether online...Ligali being one and this the other...we should respect them and cherish them because I tell you once these places go for whatever reason... the likes of this will never ever be seen again..
This maybe an unpopular thing to say but unless something drastic happens, we are a dying breed...the next generation are p.issing on our politics and soon from now everything we do could potentially be consigned to a distant memory..unless we get a grip and stop dwelling of our differences and instead concentrate on what we do have in common..and past that on constructively...
African heart, African mind
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10-08-08, 02:17 PM
When I first saw this thread I thought he got banned because he buss somebody files. I thought I had missed something. Oh well.
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10-08-08, 04:58 PM
Incognito sent me this email about 3 weeks ago saying a ban is on it's way asking me to post it on his behalf. It would have been posted earlier but asked me to wait just to soak up all this adulation. With these new comments of admiration he has changed it a bit. He also asked me to say he finds being called a c.u.n.t ironic as it explains why moderators and dykes have been trying to eat him. So he'll treat that particular comment as Special Brew mixed with weed talk.
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Banned for disrespecting African women? Women who will be the first to tell you they aren’t African. Too many dogging out babymammas and aborting children are on forums talking about respect for African women and who wouldn't touch one with a pole if she looked native. I grew up with brothas and all they did was sleep with single mothers, they brought a whole new meaning to the term motherphugger. I'm sure many here can tell you a tale or two about their experiences with respecters like these.
My wife did not do me, she done her children. A hustling babymamma hasn't the depth or the intelligence to do me. My guiding ancestors keep track of that every step of the way. I'm a member of Jah army nothing can harm me. As I told her, doesn't she thi | |