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17-02-10, 11:05 PM
Sis Maat :-), you know the deal
Number One Son is with his Dad this week. However I have the incessent 24 hour chatter of a 4 year old to deal with. My car was being fixed today and I had to get to a client on public transport with Master Chatterbox in tow......what a time. Plus we had to walk uphill and downhill so had plenty of exercise!
Baby comes into my bed and I don't realise until he starts stroking me and waking me up. Maybe he's unsettled I don't know. The plus side is we go down to Grenada next month, so I'm hoping that will help recharge my batteries.
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17-02-10, 11:18 PM
[quote=DtotheJ;1516794]The more we read, the more I'm thinking the thread title should read "It is with great relief, that I announce my freedom and rebirth"
Thank you, as that is another mantra I'll be saying to get me through...
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17-02-10, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Vezz.
He put Baby into my bed watching tv, then left. He's done this all week. When I hear Baby stirring I ask him to come downstairs, and gently let him know Daddy's gone for the night, but will be back tomorrow. When all's said and done he loves his son, so I'm trying to help Baby get through this.
I'm scared. My youngest son needs his Dad, but how can I cement this if his Dad won't talk to me? I can't just change the locks as this is still his house too.....because he won't talk to me. Baby doesn't even cry anymore that he's not here, but I know if I say this to him he'll say it's because I've bad-mouthed him.
I'm crying as I'm so frustrated. It seems like anything I do will hurt someone, and I'm desperate not to be the B.i.i.c.t.h.
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Children are much wiser than we might think and I'm sure little man has already clocked on to his dad's behaviour without you having to say a word. Remember what I said you lookout for YOU now. Trying to make things ok for everyone else is not helping you infact it will make you feel worse. I know it's hard while you have the little one but this is not really fare on you. Maybe changing the locks will make him pay attention and besides didn't he say he has another house he can go to - other than his mums??
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Originally Posted by Vezz.
Sis Maat :-), you know the deal
Number One Son is with his Dad this week. However I have the incessent 24 hour chatter of a 4 year old to deal with. My car was being fixed today and I had to get to a client on public transport with Master Chatterbox in tow......what a time. Plus we had to walk uphill and downhill so had plenty of exercise!
Baby comes into my bed and I don't realise until he starts stroking me and waking me up. Maybe he's unsettled I don't know. The plus side is we go down to Grenada next month, so I'm hoping that will help recharge my batteries.
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He probably is unsettled and seems to want more of your attention because he knows something is up. I've noticed with my children that if they know I am upset they show even more than the usual affection as though that is their way of protecting us. It's good that you are doing to Grenada. Again who is aroudn that can help you out? Where is your daughter and does she know what is happening?
Not all things that can happen will happen but they will if you want them to
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17-02-10, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by safetyblitz
BP:
When you have a family you will understand. It is not the matter that if she earns more, but being a man. If you can't pay for the house at least pay for all the food and utlities.
IN this case she said it was 50/50. As a man, I think it is your job to pay the house note period. That is usually the largest bill and as a man it is your duty to take on the largest note.
But in this case, the man seems more of a man-child raised by a woman who catered to his every need.
You can't come into a house with a woman with a kid and expect to raise only your child. You are a role model to that other child whether you like it or not and when you decided to marry her you became responsible for that other child as much as you are for his mother. That is just what being a married man is.
As a married man with kids you can't put yourself first, if you do, you are only teaching your kids to do the same with their kids. Girls marry men who emulate their father they usually date others but they usually marry a man with the same qualities as their fathers and we men when we stay home with a dad who was family first 8 times out of 10 we do the same or learn from that man's mistakes in trying to raise a family.
So if a man is not paying the bills, shucking his responsibility, and not making a financial contribution to the house what is he teaching his son and step son?
Even if the boys do not follow his footsteps he has not left them a bedrock to fall on. Has he shown them how to talk to a man, how to raise a son, how to take care of your mate as the stronger one in a relationship, how to do anything but slide by? Now the boys will have to figure this out by themselves.
A man goes a long way in the life of a boy. even if you are making the boy take out the garbage only on a regular basis you are teaching him some responsibility or when the boy does good on his report card and you congratulate him. You can take a boy to any sport and just talk about the game and he will be happy just to be out with you even a 20 year old. Young men seek approval from older men and will learn from an older man if the older man is wise enough when to see the kids ears are opened or closed.
Vezz has a 55 year old child TO ME in a number of ways and not because of the way he handles his bills, but even the womanly (yep I went there) way he subtly suggested that she get his work van fixed.........WTF?!?!? You are going to tell me that you suggest your woman deal with mechanics for your truck? I mean he works in a trade and can do a trade for trade swap with mechanic. Instead he hints around something needing to be fixed like a woman. I expect something like that from a woman but that is feminine wiles and it is a way they remnid us to do something without nagging us. That is how women communicate when they ask/but don't ask initially.
This dude plays mental games and because he knows she loves him, he continues to play mental games even to the fact of him trying to hurt her more now in her latest post where he refuses to return her calls.
A woman as talkative and emotonal as Vezz he knows her and what he is doing and it goes far beyong the house note.
Vezz:
Is he a mama's boy?
Does his mama approach you with his problems instead of dealing with him?
Does his mama cover him mostly instead of him treating her mostly?
If you answer yes to two or more man-child
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I can't even comment because to do so will open the floodgates more. I've said to my friends I married him because I loved him, thought with my heart not my head. I didn't think about what he had/didn't have. I just loved him. Now, I feel I should have been more cold, questioning more why he didn't have any assets to show. I'm not about money, but now I think he may have been seeing me as I had a house, plus being 11 years younger. Also I have a career that will never become obsolete.
I'm stupid to a point, but not where my children's well-being is put into question. If I die tomorrow my other house is theirs, and my insurance will pay out on half this house. If he has insurance I know nothing about it.
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17-02-10, 11:40 PM
Maat, my daughter is a source of strength. I can't burden her too much as she's in her final year of her degree. She's here to babysit and she's my baby too.
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18-02-10, 12:00 AM
I hear that and am glad she is there with you at least. Every bit helps. I'm about to log off now and sincerely wish you some form of rest. I know you need to cry and sleep is just as important if you can get some more energy. It will get easier Sis
Not all things that can happen will happen but they will if you want them to
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18-02-10, 01:59 PM
Hello Vezz - I hope 2010 brings you all the PEACE and HAPPINESS that you deserve. I have a dear friend going through something very similar and she finds herself in a very, very difficult position . what makes it difficult for her is her inability to make a definitive decision about what to do next. I have often told her thatt she will find peace when she decides what she wants to do - it doesn't matter if she goes or stays.
It sounds like you have made a decision and I hope that in doing that you have also found peace.
God bless.
What is your life worth?
If you think that the only way you can survive is in the misuse of people,
then you haven't even begun to think about what it means to be human. ~ Dr C.T.Vivian
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18-02-10, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Vezz.
I can't even comment because to do so will open the floodgates more. I've said to my friends I married him because I loved him, thought with my heart not my head. I didn't think about what he had/didn't have. I just loved him. Now, I feel I should have been more cold, questioning more why he didn't have any assets to show. I'm not about money, but now I think he may have been seeing me as I had a house, plus being 11 years younger. Also I have a career that will never become obsolete.
I'm stupid to a point, but not where my children's well-being is put into question. If I die tomorrow my other house is theirs, and my insurance will pay out on half this house. If he has insurance I know nothing about it.
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Vezz it aint about what he has or does not have. It is about being a man. The world is full of AA men who were dirt poor but did all they could to support their family and extended family and denied themselves a lot. Not because they could not afford to do so, but because they had their responsibilities straight.
If you are entering a marriage, you have the right to ask a lot of questions. His lack of assets could have been from
a.) lawsuits
b.) sickness
c.) natural disaster
d.) recently (as in last 5 years) was released from prison
etc.
You have the right to know coming into a marriage. That is not cold. Its just at the least protecting yourself and your kids.
Believe it or not, looking at how a man relates with his mom, how he handles his money, how he treats you around his friends/family and how he allows them to treat you will tell you a lot about what you are getting into.
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19-02-10, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Vezz.
Gosh, you have bought up things I thought but didn't want to bring up.
I'm not here to cuss him, and everything I've said is the truth. It got to a stage where I started wondering whether it was my fault. Did I emasculate him? Did he feel less of man? Maybe I should have let them take the house. I just feel the more I put in the less he does. So, am I too proactive and should I have let him do what he wanted?
When we first bought this house it was agreed he paid the mortgage and, although I wasn't working after having the Baby, I paid everything else (yes, got into serious debt, but what could I do?). Sadly, I had to pay the also.
He comes from a large, close-knit family. There are certain dynamics I don't want to go into here.
Ladies, would you accept your mother-in-law buying your husband clothes & underwear? Not a one-off, but whole swathes of shirts and underwear? He couldn't see why I was annoyed at that. Cooking food for him and delivering it to my house? Again, he couldn't see why that annoyed me.
Also you are so right regarding his behaviour regarding my other son. But get this, he asked me to look into him taking my son to do a sport. I asked him why I should, seeing as I'm the one taking him to football/karate/swimming.....? Needless to say that idea soon went South. I think my son is used to it now, but it's not something I have ever been comfortable about, and have told him this on numerous occasions. My own Dad was never one for trips etc, but I knew he paid the bills.
From what I gather from his rants when I bring up the fact I'm unhappy, he's working hard on the sites to provide for us, I'm a jinnal because I married up under false pretences (no sex) and see the house as only mine. When I tried to explain why I felt like that he threw his dinner over my head. When I then said that I couldn't speak to him and wanted out, he threw it over my head again. That's when a proper fight broke out! Still, I tried to work it out......
The more I write the clearer I see things. When it's in your head it's easy to explain it away and make excuses. In writing I'm thinking why the HELL have I put up with this for so long?
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I have only read a few responses from you and others but I was starting to think why the hell did she continue in this relationship for so long? But then that is me...I bail at the first sign of trouble
If your hurting Vezz then you have my sympathy if you are as strong as I think you are then let it go and get on with your life....However divorced or not if you have children together than you are still going to be a partnership, or atleast need to be a partnership. I would hope for your childrens sake you will both show a united front ie parents evenings ect.
Got to ask though Why you getting divorced why not just seperate? Not sure I would rush off to get a divorce right away...give it some time. Make your peace with each other first.
Be nice to him, treat him like an old friend. If he comes to vist the kids act like he's just family visiting don't let him think he's not welcome...even if you are seeing someone eles. As long as you are clear about his boundries where you are concerned.
Above both of your feelings pain and hurt should be your childrens feelings.
All the best
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My mother, my son's grandmother still buys all of us underwear...Old school believes that a good coat, shoes and underwear make a person...Your comment about his mother buying underwear reminded me how upset my daughter-in-law got over my mother buying her 'man' underwear. I explained to her that that was just how my mum stayed and my her first grandchild was her golden boy (even | had little say in that relationship) But I really didn't understand why it even bothered her so, why she took it as some personal afront
And I don't understand how you have issues with it? What sort of relationship did You have with his mother?
I picked up that your husband was previously married. Are there children from his first marriage? If so how old?
Does he gamble?
If we do not have an accurate analysis of the problem, we cannot possibly develop a good strategy to resolve it.
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05-03-10, 02:09 AM
Hope you're doing ok Vezz??,just back from NY so haven't been here for a minute.
I will PM you.
......"Wasn't nothing strange about your daddy,what was strange was what he had to deal with"-Al Sharpton
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03-05-10, 10:05 PM
Hi, just a quick update...
Hubby has tried hard these last few months, mowing the lawn, taking care of both kids etc. It seems he's realised I'm at the end. However, he's not working right now so I don't know if the new him extends financially, which is the crux of our problems.
He still goes out without telling me where he's going - at least 3 times a week all night - but I don't ask and just gets on with it.
I know divorce is on the cards, but he still won't talk to me, even when it's just us in the house (he's still an ostrich).
I'm happy enough though. I don't cook, clean nor the other for him, but we're civil (we all went bowling today. I saw him take a double take at my hands, and I think he's just realised I'm not wearing my rings....3 months after I took them off!).
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04-05-10, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Vezz.
Hi, just a quick update...
Hubby has tried hard these last few months, mowing the lawn, taking care of both kids etc. It seems he's realised I'm at the end. However, he's not working right now so I don't know if the new him extends financially, which is the crux of our problems.
He still goes out without telling me where he's going - at least 3 times a week all night - but I don't ask and just gets on with it.
I know divorce is on the cards, but he still won't talk to me, even when it's just us in the house (he's still an ostrich).
I'm happy enough though. I don't cook, clean nor the other for him, but we're civil (we all went bowling today. I saw him take a double take at my hands, and I think he's just realised I'm not wearing my rings....3 months after I took them off!).
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He sounds like a very proud man, "proud" in the context of it being one of the "deadly sins".
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05-05-10, 07:30 PM
Keep doing you Vezz, thats all you can do
Think outside of the box...Think in spirit
Act as if it were impossible to fail!!!
Newbies do not be shy - it's good to talk debate conversate.
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05-05-10, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Le Moor
He sounds like a very proud man, "proud" in the context of it being one of the "deadly sins".
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Le-moor, I agree with your assessment, it is unfortunately a very male trait that we all have to a degree... The difficulty is that sometimes as a man you have to be honest with yourself and accept when its done...
For me there is a tppping point in any relationship when you know its just time to let go and move on...
African heart, African mind
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