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06-07-04, 05:35 PM
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At some stage or other people will get beaten in their lives by someone bigger and stronger maybe not physically but in some area. Whether its sports etc etc. People are never made equal you have the weak and strong its the law of nature.
I'm not an advocate for hitting a child but I think parents need a little bit of leeway - we are talking courtcase, finesand jail sentence for an act that has probably been going on from the beginning of time. (doesn't make it right I hear u saying - I can agree) I'm not a parent so I cannot say how I would react. I never hit my niece even though plenty of times I could of.
But I've not turned out bad even though I have been smacked as a child. Hitting a child is not important to me I believe if the deed did not warrant it then the kid wouldn't need to get hit or if the child is good then why would u contemplate hitting a child just for the sake of it. Doesn't make senseconfused3
The reason for the law is NOT the government caring about the welfare of children. For something that has been going on for years it can't be. For when they also had corporal punishment in this country banning smacking from parents the kidsis not their primary concern.
Could it be that the government are finding a NEW way in order to disrupt FAMILY LIFE and to gain more money in fines and such like.
Think about it....
First they blame parents for kids truancy this equates to possible fines, courtcase and even jail sentence.
And how are they going to stop kids skipping school probably PUNISHMENTS - but how??? People would have their ways but I bet most would think about smacking a kid.
Then well what do u know....
Its put forward that it should ILLEGAL to smack a kid as a punishment. Two isolated laws hmmmmn. Coincidence.....
P.S surely after all your talk about kicking ass u cannot be one that is against violence surely all the white men whos ass u kicked were not as big or as strong as u. OR am I seeing a new man.
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06-07-04, 05:41 PM
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offtopic.gifI just realised these posts make me look like i am parent. I'm not, this is all for the future! LOL!
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06-07-04, 05:44 PM
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offtopic.gifI just realised these posts make me look like i am parent. I'm not, this is all for the future! LOL!
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Thanks Girl!I have my parents to thank for that! You know what it is when you get into a subject, you realise that you haven't made things clear. But its true i don't have to explain a damn thing. So i will remove that statement LOL!
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06-07-04, 05:52 PM
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LOL!
You make perfect sense to me.
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06-07-04, 05:55 PM
I would appeal to the reasonable majority of black folks who are able todebate the pros and cons of issuewith their minds and not their emotions.
So I say again - I see no harm in rejecting the use of physical punishment - I do not say one shouldn't punish/discipline children.
But I think the repsonse to unruly children shouldn't be smacking whether used in a knee jerk manner or assomeclaimunconvincingly - asa last resort.
Is it beyond us to even considers alternatives?
Surely if it is our children we are talking about - they are worthy of the extra effort that may beinvolved in finding alternatives to smacking/beating?
Or do we just like to beat because it quick easy and convenient?
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06-07-04, 06:11 PM
I would also appeal to the reasonable majority of black folks, that are able to see sense, and are able to understand thatno one on here is condoning the abuse of children,that you should raise your children in the best way you see fit. Never let anyone make you feel bad for disciplining your children, because they will be the same ones to ask "what is wrong with kids today"!
Also to the reasonable majority of black folks, it is important that you understand that no one on here has said that you should not consider as many alternatives as you like, but what is at the center of most people's arguments on here is that no government especially not a western government should be able to dictate to you what you should do in your own home. No one on here is saying that smacking is the only thing that can and should be done.
Ok thats my message to the majority of reasonable black folks on here! LOL!
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06-07-04, 06:14 PM
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I'm sure kids get beaten less in these days than my days and my times definitely less than my parents generation. Or maybe I should say as to not put things down as FACT I got beaten a lot less than my parents did.
Anyway any punishment can be seen as a form of abuse whether it be physical or mental. But if you are proposing a newinnovative systemlets hearit - then it leaves an angle for a debate.
Like I said before my parents used a hands up punishment. Thats an alternative to smacking a kid put forward some of your ideas and lets talk. I'm sure others will add the pros and cons of any form of punishment we can come up with.
But then again maybe people do like to beat kids. But I do agree with MBD people should discipline their kids the way they see fit and that has nothing to do with abusing kids.
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At some stage or other people will get beaten in their lives by someone bigger and stronger maybe not physically but in some area. Whether its sports etc etc. People are never made equal you have the weak and strong its the law of nature.
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Respectfully broI don't see the relevance of this statement - we are talking about using violence to discipline chidlren.
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If you defend that - then why not defend domestic violence against women?
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The only justification for violence perpetrated by adult on child seems to be that the victim is a child.
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But I've not turned out bad even though I have been smacked as a child.
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How do you knowwhether that's because of the beating, rather than in spite of it?
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Hitting a child is not important to me I believe if the deed did not warrant it then the
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kid wouldn't need to get hit or if the child is good then why would u contemplate hitting a child just for the sake of it. Doesn't make senseconfused3
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Again - cant see the relevance of this point - we are talking about what measures to use when children are naughty not when they are not naughty.
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P.S surely after all your talk about kicking ass u cannot be one that is against violence surely all the white men whos ass u kicked were not as big or as strong as u. OR am I seeing a new man.
Not sure that I like this commnent - but I'll answer respectfully and truthfully.
I am against violence to children.
1) When I have dealt with white men usually I have been outnumbered by them. Most recently 2 to 1.
2) Indeed, I'm quite big lad myself - but most of the white men that have their asses kicked by me were either bigger or roughly the same size.
The only solitary white manbrave enough to confront a big black man, usually only do so while drunk - and these - you are right seem to be the smallest puniest ones.
These I tend to leave alone - No Glory
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06-07-04, 06:33 PM
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At some stage or other people will get beaten in their lives by someone bigger and stronger maybe not physically but in some area. Whether its sports etc etc. People are never made equal you have the weak and strong its the law of nature.
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Respectfully broI don't see the relevevance of this statement - we are talking about using violence to discipline chidlren.
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If you defend that then why not defend domestic violence against women?
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The only justification for violence perpetrated by adult on chid seems to be that the victim is a child.
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I made them comments in return to this comment by U - "I don't like people who beat children - I would like to know how they would feel to be beaten by some one bigger and stronger."
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I'm not justifying violence but as a kid growing up there is NO way I could have said my parents were violent towards me. I had no bruising, no marks not even any pain outside that initial sting occasionally. And as I got older u realise u got smacked because U was bang out of order not the other way round.
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Like i said before people physically abusing kids IS wrong - black eyes bruises and all that same with women.
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But I've not turned out bad even though I have been smacked as a child.
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How do you whether that's because of the beating, rather than in spite of it?
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maybe that is something I'll never know. But what I do know is that I got hit as a child that was one of the ways I was disciplined. So it makes sense to say that the beats never really affected me in ways that u suggested in previous posts that it could do to kids.
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kid wouldn't need to get hit or if the child is good then why would u contemplate hitting a child just for the sake of it. Doesn't make senseconfused3
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Again - cant see the relevance of this point we are talking about what measures to use when children are naughty not when they are not naughty.
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this comment was made because I felt that U were saying that parents just seem obliged to hit their kids because they are bigger and stronger. So even for trivial things kids was getting hit that is just the impression I got from u. If i'm wrong I apologize.
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P.S surely after all your talk about kicking ass u cannot be one that is against violence surely all the white men whos ass u kicked were not as big or as strong as u. OR am I seeing a new man.
Not sure that I like this commnent - but I'll answer respectfully and truthfully.
I am against violence to children.
1) When I have dealt with white men usually I have been outnumbered by them. Most recently 2 to 1.
2) Indeed, I'm quite big lad myself - but most of the white that have their asses kicked by me were either bigger or roughly the same size.
The only solitary white manbrave enough to confront a big black man, usually only do while drunk - and these - you are right seem to be the smallest puniest ones.
These I tend to leave alone - No Glory
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Fair enough point taken again that comment was made regarding your comment made above that I quoted- its just that u appeared to me dead against violence in all forms notjust parent to child.
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How many of us successful individuals with stood a hand or two from your mothers and or fathers or both far as that goes…
how many successful people have hada paddle from your teacher or principle at school that made you think twice about doing something you know you shouldn’t do… now I don’t believe in beating any children but I do believe in letting them know that there is more to fear then their bed room…
Before you comment or react, STOP!! Listen and evaluate all sides
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