Forum: We have a live one here ....a european trying to pretend that he/she is black oh dear...what stupidness is this person is talking about..

For the recorded there is a big big difference between 'prejudice' and 'Racial discrimination'..and you definition to be very honest is a nonsense...Yes everyone has prejudice..for instance I believe my daughter is the most beautiful child in the world..quite obviously that is a prejudice view that has no basis in fact... However if I take a prejudice and then seek to act on this prejudice (when I know my view has no basis in fact,) that sir is called discrimination and is what consitutes racism..

The police in that programme were not just prejudice, they went beyond and actually sought to act upon their prejudice in way that they knew to be racially oppressive.. The 'fool' sorry I mean the poster also commented that this view was only held by a 'certain' number of police..really!!! This begs the obvious question how these mens behaviour was not picked up by their colleagues or superiors... The poster says that thisprejudice stems from the wider 'society' i agree.. that is whyit is a problem that needs to dealth with by the White majority and not offset by apologist such as this poster..

The poster says that they live in Brixton, as if this by itself showhow confersknowledge or an expertise...The poster then goes on to emotively drop the name Peckham andrelay hearsay evidence of an incident in Peckham as if he/she were there...sorry son but you're talking horse radish..your anacdote is not indicative of black attitudes or black behaviour..what it isindicative of is your attitude and your perception of black people..

The poster then LOL tried to state that he/she is trying to 'understand'(yea right!!)...what is he/she trying to understand is their own stupidity..ignorance or could be the fact that as a European he/she has highlighted the point just how idiotic and ignorantthey really are..

Sorry geez I'm not trying harsh..(lie) but if you're gonna come onto a Black talkboard and make such stupid, groundless prononcements you will and must expect to get an arse kicking..for being so stupid...so take this kicking as confirmation that you really are as ignorant and dumb as you sound and by happy ok!!!

If however you really want a serious debate..then my advice to you learn your history properly, then learn the context of your own language properly, (especially its meaning.) When or if you come back please next time have a bit more respect and come correct...or else don't bother..dun-der head!!!blkbuttkick

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Sometimes Fred we must speak to the audience and not to the fool who tried to insult our intelligence with silly comparisons..like you said the people sometimes need guidence..

btw: I suspect i already know this poster...

Just Asking wrote:
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Poster I'm going to reply in full later..however on the above point...I going to say this again you are a liar..I hope you're hearing me loud and clear. If you have a LAW DEGREE, then you must have a clear understanding what the term 'hearsay' means.. You were NOT there, you are NOT the police officer in question, if you are being relayed a secondhandaccount ofan event givenby your friend days later,...Please tell me what is that called, if it is not 'hearsay' please tell me what it is because I'm intrigued...

If you want inteligent dialogue then please come with some intelligence, having exams does mean one is intelligent, having a degree does not mean one has inteligence...So please don't patronise me or insult us... But as i say I'll be back later to forensically dissect your so called argument, then we will see how willing you are to debate this issue maturely Ms Black woman from Uganda (Yea right!!!!)

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**semi Long tings Alert** Ms Uganda: I’m going to deal with the points on your second post,as I’ve already dealth with the first.. you said you don’t live ‘cocooned’ in a black existence.. On this point can I point out the very obvious to you, that in England a predominately white country it would be difficult not to say damned impossible to be ‘cocooned’ in black existence to the exclusion of indigenous white people.. Even if one only had black friends, there is no such thing as an all black work, education or social environment. So my first point here is that your emphasis on being cocooned is a silly and irrelevant point that is indicative of European Myopic thinking…. On the same point but a different perspective having a range of people from different cultures, does not in itself mean that one is either more ‘progressive’ or ‘advanced’ than those who choose not make such compromises in their lives…Again on this point you talked about Black people needing to ‘integrate’ which I take to loosely mean be more ‘white’.. On this point I think that you really ought to stop buying into silly tabloid rhetoric here.. If you asked most Africans/blacks in this forum for example they would all probably know more about the English and about English history than the white folks born and bred here.. A good example of this is a recent debate I’ve just had on another talkboard where I had correct a European married to a Zimbabwean on several points on not only English history but also Zimbabwean history too.. Yet you’re trying to tell me that as a black man I must integrate…You’re flippin cheeky, the fact is Ms Uganda is that the problem is NOT us and has NEVER has been us most Caribbean & African countries taught and in some cases still do..English history/culture before there own.. The problem is that white Europeans like the person I just debated with, who don’t even have the common decency to research their facts before opening their gob.. So again your point here doesn’t hold water..but if you don’t believe me put my hypothesis to the test!!! What you should do is to reflect and then put in context, that when incidents like the one you describe occurred with your boyfriend at the nightclub.. This behaviour does not underline as you wrongly concluded a need for all blacks to ‘intergrate’.. What it highlights as if we did not already know this..is that some young black people are truly stupid and ignorant…That is sad and it is regrettable but it does not mean the pathetic attitude they displayed is consistent throughout our society young or old..and if you were black as you claim you would know this!!! Further and I’m goner get real rough here, how dare you!!, how dare you presume to label ALL black people VICTIMS.. When people rightly complain of injustice done to them, (sorry I know you’re not going to like my tone here,)..but sir you’re friggin out of order…Let me tell you something don’t ever presume that you’re too ‘good’ for your own people.. Further let me also remind you, that your ability to ‘integrate’ and have your ‘mixed’ friends was fought for by the very same VICTIMS, not given by Europeans, not handed down by Europeans …fought for by people ( the very VICTIMS) you just sneered at, stood up and complained and fought long and hard about police brutality, poor educational standards, lack of opportunities and sub standard housing..etc etc….Geez how quickly we forget sometimes.. That ‘coloured box’ Ms Uganda is the very foundations of the freedom you enjoy today so please don’t disrespect it…and don’t pass your place… Let me conclude by saying that yes there are some very real issues and learning points that needs to be discussed and reflected upon by the African community as a whole..but integration is not upper most on that list..So think on that before you come back again relaying your ‘Mixed friends’ opinions on this forum as facts, you ought to feel shame!!

i do not think the issue of race is brought up enough. the race card is european slang for oh just suck it up son. if ya get my expression. for instance those who saw the thug life docu with geoff schumann would understand that the race card is not played it is dealt. in some instances it is used wrongly others not. but if you check out the immigration system which my uni lectures mainly white clearly pointed out that its designed to keep out non europeans etc but allow them free reign in countries of whose people they dont want in theirs. when jamaica was slapped with visa status the voice ran an article about that and it showed that the majority of visa staus in realtion to the uk belonged to majority black and asian countries. can you imagine if all brits passpor holdrs needed a passport to go everyhere. if it wqs america they would start a war lol

however as non whites are minorities in the uk we are hardly living in a cocoon. question are the whites in africa been living in a cocoon?

race card so cliche

Now this is going to seem slightly controversial but i'll ask it anyway. It may seem, or indeed may very well be coming from a point of ignorance so i hope you can enlighten me if that is the case.

I have noticed a dangerous trend amongst black people to blame white people for a lot of the trouble we are in, which in all fairness is cool, but there are some blacks out there that i believe take it too far. For example, they willblame the position they are in on white people rather than they are too lazy or stupid to further themselves. To give this question some kind of perspective, think of this. Lets say for example, that black people had never been enslaved, would we be in a better situation than we are now? Think about it. Now i am not a sellout by any means, i just feel that a lot of black people out there have got it wrong. Tell me what you think, do you agree?

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Something tells me we have done this one already, but I may be wrong.

Anyway in response to the question in the title:

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Now that's my kind of debate....simple and straightforward

Respect

I agree with Backatya

Blame whites for every problem we encounter? That's silly and it won't help us anywhere

My parents teached me to be responsible for my own deeds and outcomes. Most of my Black friends don't even think in that way. The only ones I've heardwho blame whites for everything are lazy and have no perspective on the future.

People with no hope in general need scapegoating. Like low class white people who need to vent on immigrants in order to assert their self-esteem/life and blame immigrants for everything