Truth: I must advise you that I've just deleted two posts from a poster with the same IP address as you...can you explain please..?

further I must warn you that if there aresimilar trangression of that nature in future, I will not hesitate to recommend that you are banned from this site...If you are unhappy please do not hesitate to respond..

Truth:I not sure i believe your statement that this is your first time here, however let me warn you now. I so much as smell ab effort to disrupt this board and sir you will be banned.. I hope that i make myself very clear on this issue...

...that you are against ALL whites who you assume have no interest in blacks at all and are all racist bigots.



@Truth?

If someone was to tell you thathe like jazz for example, would you take it to mean every piece ofjazz music that ever existed or would you think 'in general'. Most peoplewould assume the latter.

Hardly anyone calls someone by name e.g. Paul, Martin, e.t.c.,when talking about race, because people would not know every white/black person that ever existed, alive or dead. So it makes sense to say 'white people', meaning generally speaking.

Having said that though, there is hardly any exception when one talks aboutwhite people and racism. They have made it a fine art. An African,could travel to the tips of Lands End tomeet a Caucasian who he knows,meet another personfrom John O' Groats who is a stranger to both, (and is another Caucasian).The person from John O'Groats could stand and yell out all the vitriolic utterances he likes to and about the person of colourregarding raceand the first Caucasian wouldBELIEVE that he is caught between a rock and a hard place because his FIRST thought would be that he SHOULD back up the stranger as a WHITE person!Because EVERYTHING is black and white to white people, as long as black people are in their midst. Its hardly everabout what is right or wrong.

The answer to racism is very simple and that is for white people to make the effort to know and understand their neighbours. But they won't.







Oh and by the way in this caseI am specificallyreffering toUK whites because in other places the racism can be different.

The real truth:

Yes, you are coming together as 'Africans' - great. But you are lucky you are allowed to - the English are not even allowed to call themselves 'English' or they are accused of being 'racist' which i think is wrong, and it is done in the name of the likes of you and multiculturalism, whether you like it or not.

FACT: more than 500, 000 people will be lining the streets tomorrow with the flag of ST George, celebrating the ENGLISH teams winning of the Rugby world cup.. FACT!! Further more one can frequent newsweb sites Guardian on line, Times, Daily Mail etc and discuss often in less than flattering terms race and Asylum isssues... Further there are racist websites 'white wolf' BNP etc who do come together as english and discuss race yet another FACT...so Truth you are talking absolute bollocks fullstop!

Having black friends / listening to rap - NO that does NOT give me the right to comment on black issues - of course not - but i was not saying anything of the sort. I was asking you questions - do they actually hate me? Do you mind me listening? etc_

Truth: please DO NOT, DO NOT be stupid the music you listen to is immaterial, one can listen to whatever music one likes its a flippin free country.. BUT sir it is also a FACT that Skinheads in the late seventies and early Eighties did listen to and life Ska and they still didn't see the contradiction in kicking the shit out of Paki's..

Yes, that's the history I want to learn - all the gory details - plus the good parts - so that we can have a balanced view of our history - not Euro-centric nor Afro-centric - i believe thatis the only way we can judge our past - feel guilty for our ancestors wrongs, yet also know and celebrate the great parts.

Thruth: Good I aggree, go then take responsibility find the truth and learn, stop coming here with your mouth wide open expecting to be spoon fed..

By the same token, do you get taught in your black history months that the Africans sold their own people into slavery and the only kidnapping done was by Africans themselves. That slavery started in ancient African before anybody saw a white man. That white people were slaves in the British Empire - put on ships under false pretences and shipped off to a life of forced labour / children were sold to industry and wore metal collars and chains / the poor in Victorian times were almost always put into workhouses as slaves. That black slavery was never about colour (although this was its final justification)

Truth: Again don't be stupid..you obviously know your stuff, therefore you know there was a big difference between the African model of Slavery and sir the European model....But let me make the point quite clearly to you so YOU GET IT!!! We do not have a rose tinted view of Africa or its people..the fact is it is very clear that under the system of Capitalism that whilst race was used as a tool, and tactic to oppress people..it is clear White were not the only ones to have contraditions..

- it was about merchantile capitalism and nation-building - and simply cheap labour - it carried on a tradition of African slavery (along with the vast number of European slaves of course) which was actually more beneficial to Africans e.g. they were transported off the west coast - rather than into the middle east. Are you taught that the majority of working class white people in this country are descendents of white slaves? Are you taught that it was not EVERY white person that enslaved blacks

TRUTH: Nice try..really but like I said, whilst I don't dispute that whites were used as Cheap labour..there is no examples of any part of European being depopulated as Africa was.. There is no examples of Europeans ensalaving others Europeans..changing their names, Culture, Language and then holding them on slave farms in the Carribean.. Nor sir is there significant examples or evidence of Europeans going into their neighbours country and carving it up..The last idiot that tried that shit triggered World war 2..

- but merchentile capitalists and forces of the establishment - as ordinary whites had to slave for their country? That slavery features little, if at all, in the mindset of whites - they have got over it - they do not hold grudges against the descendents of the people who did them wrong - e.g. German torturers / the British establishment / Romans who enslaved the Celts / Danes, Normans, Scandinavians / the black Africans who had white slaves etc etc. Were you taught that although there was much barbarity in the age of Empire and some went unpunished that whole battalions were put to work for years for killing one native, that Churchhill (when he knew about these atrocities) made public applogies and said that this is not what the Empire is about and made sure those involved got thier due punishment etc_ - are you taught this AS WELL AS the grusome barbarity of some Europeans. Are you taught that Spain started to transport Africans and these along with the French were more barbaric than Britiain could ever be. Are you taught that Britain stopped slavery with her navel power, with much opposition from the rest of Europe and African slave traders alike.

Truth: sorry not even going to address this point its bollocks, off topic and totally irrelivant, not only can you NOT compare the invasion of Germans, Danes etc to the model of European Slavery..there simply no comparison so please stop talking utter crap your reaching and you know it..

I would also like to say that just because someone is white and European i do not implicitly have anything in common with them, unlike blacks seems to with each other - so i resent being clumped together with all Europeans. Are you also taught that there is much Afro-centrist rubbish coming out of America which tries to re-write history just to give black school children self-esteem and to beware of this kind of distortion.

Truth: Have you never heard of the EEC, the Euro or looked at your passport recently...further can i suggest you go back a review why the US & Britain went into Kosovo..and the former Yugoslavia.. But in any case Europeans where I like it or not insist on calling ALL blacks whether they were born in Africa, the Carribean or England Ethinic Minorities..so what the hell are chatting bout!!

On the point of schools failing African children I find this amazing. So what you are saying is that every single teacher is a racist? Or that the syllabus isn't suitable for them? Or what? I would be interested to know how you reach this conclusion. What about the many many white people who fail, and the Asian people ?

Truth: firstly this is a BLACK site so we discuss the BLACK perspective geddit!!! However sir go back and check the exclusion rate for Blacks against white..Go back and compare the numbers taking proper exams in relation to their white peers.. Go back and check those funnelled into stereotypical activities such as Sports, music etec etc compared to whites then sir come back chat the fart you just did..


Don't you realize that all public instiutions are crippled and aboslutely brought to the ground with political correctness - if you look at a black colleague the wrong way you will be charged with some racially aggrivated crime. WE all have to tip-toe around ethnic minorities incase they intimate racism if we ask them for the time etc- its ridiculous. For something to be instiutionally racist it has to have racist objectives and EVERY member of the organization has to be racist - i honestly don't believe that this applies to ANY British institution. Of course individuals are racist and this is a damn shame and they should be locked up for life - but you seriously cannot say that everyone and everything that isn't black is necessarily against you.

Truth: You see now you reveal yourself as possible a member of some right wing group, as you spin off all the obligatory rhetoric as if its fact without knowing the TRUTH: The TRUTH is that Local goverment is crippled by the shortsightedness of the electorate for over twenty years plus.. they opted for less tax and less public spending... Well sir the White MAJORITY voted for Margret Thather how many times..knowing her agenda.. The WHITE MAJORITY then voted for NEw labour who then promised NOT to raise direct taxes when clearly even to the blind that is what needed to happen.. The lib dem said that the public rejected them and tax rises conclusively.. So take flippin responsibility and stop bleating about YOUR choices and that of YOUR people..

You chose this route... and the white MAJORITY shortness has lead to a failing NHS, failing transport system, Failing School system, Failing Social Services System.. and failing or non existent Public services system..YOU choose it .. Please stop blaming 'political correctness' for the failing of your Majority white english poor choices in life..DOLT!!

Tip toes around whom, chatting shite again..listen to the BBC or LBC between 9-12 do you..lisaten any day of the week and you can hear two right wing 'shock jocks' chat race until kingdom...We have one of THE most right wing Home secetary to grace this planet, who make Hitler loook tame and you come here chatting shit oh please.. Finally go back and reread the the definition of insistutionally racist you plonker... It does not label the people in the organisation you do do.. it talks about the structures that reinforce and maintain poor practise you dumb shit..

Coming together as blacks - does NOT mean you are against whites - but this IS what i have found on this forum - you all hate whites and this country with a venom - and view yourselves and your causes as against whites. Wouldn't you think the same by the very mention of a 'white' forum - even without the kind of racistdrivel we see on here?

Truth: oh do shut up... If you had bothered to ask I would have told you that I admire people like John Pilger, Micheal Moore, John Skinner as people with knowledge and integrity.. you understand nothing and have learnt nothing..its clear you barely understand yourown cukture muchlessour so pleasego away and LEARN!!

yes - of course to state facts about one race ageing more than the other - is perfectly fine. BUT the problem is whites are not allowed to say things about blacks too. Also if you latch onto these characteriscs of old whites then you are being racist - as it is about skin colour - e.g. whites do not have the protection of lots of melanin and so of course age faster as the number one cause of visible ageing is sun damage - so you are discriminating on the basis of skin colour. Talking about characteristic is fine - but why aren't I allowed to do the same about you??????

TRuth: Do what!!! what in gods green earth are you talking about..good god man get a grip!!!

About some1 else being deleted with a similar name - this is the first time i have been on here - so no it wasn't me - i just want reasoned debate.

Truth: like i said I don't believe you, you are being monitered, I smell a RAT AND YOU'RE GONE FULLSTOP..NO DISCUSSION so be advised..

Hello truth and welcome to the site

I just wanna make a couple of points about what you said, most of which I agreed with especially about the double standards and racism towards whites, I myself have been acussed of being white because I 've pointed this out anyway

1) Blacks in Britain do not come together around their blackness, black people identify as west Indian or African or the country of origin of the parents/ grand-parents. There is no unified "black view" like you seem to thinkand the community itself is very fragmented (mainly west indian v African) but there is tension between people from different caribbean islands and working class v middle class, lightskinned v darkskinned

2) Like you said most blacks on the site are militant blacks, they do not represent the feeling of most blacks in this countryand certainly notin the caribbean. The fact that you feel they do makes me question whether you really have any black friends

3) One thing I don't agree with you is aboutEnglish people not learning about English history

is this a joke????

~Gemini~ wrote:
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Hello truth and welcome to the site

I just wanna make a couple of points about what you said, most of which I agreed with especially about the double standards and racism towards whites, I myself have been acussed of being white because I 've pointed this out anyway





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Gemini: can i just say as a moderator, that I see a bit more than you do, so can i say that before you align youself with an opinion maybe it you might want to clarify;

• Where that opinion is coming from..
• What is the subtext to their agenda..
• What is their purpose..

Regardless of whether you like me or you agree with me, as someone who supposed to be Jamaican I find your readiness to jump onto and allign yourself with any person at the drop of a hat without properly qualifying who they aretroubling... One can disagree with a prevailing view without having to jump into bed with every tom dick and Harriet that turns up on these boards...

TRUTH wrote:
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NO - I did NOT vote for this sham of a government, nor did I vote for Thatcher. Yes I agree with you about Blunkett - he is a Nazi - I hate the man. Although I must say that i believe that this governments policy of letting fat too many undeserving into this country in the last few years is what produces such extreme-Right wing fascist reactionary shit from Blunkett.

Ok Truth: lets nail one of your lies down... Why is this country in trouble is it because of the massive underfunding over the past thirty years OR is it because of political correctness as you asserted truth now please..

Kunjufu wrote:
[quote]~Gemini~ wrote:
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Hello truth and welcome to the site

I just wanna make a couple of points about what you said, most of which I agreed with especially about the double standards and racism towards whites, I myself have been acussed of being white because I 've pointed this out anyway







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Gemini: can i just say as a moderator, that I see a bit more than you do, so can i say that before you align youself with an opinion maybe it you might want to clarify;

• Where that opinion is coming from..
• What is the subtext to their agenda..
• What is their purpose..

I find your readiness to jump onto and allign yourself with any person at the drop of a hat without properly qualifying who they aretroubling... One can disagree with a prevailing view without having to jump into bed with every tom dick and Harriet that turns up on these boards...




Okay, but I just agreed with most of what he said, whether or not he is racist or has some hidden agenda doesn't negate the truth or what he said. If he was black I would have agreed aswell. I'm not bias or hypocritical like that

Regardless of whether you like me or you agree with me, as someone who supposed to be Jamaican

what does my ethnicity have to do with this?



@ ijexa LOL

can we say PARANOID LOL

isn't that a sympton of schizophrenia??? hehe

I don't claim to show an interest in Africa or Africans so I don't know why your including me in your littlr conspiracy theories,

however this site is called blacknet not African net

i was not gonna post here as i saw it as a white person trying to cause conflict in an organised black enviroment so to speak. but ........

truth seems to think that all his hard work paid of for his education. i am guessing he is not self taught. i have a duo experience of white history based education. in america during their black history month black history became a feature and was part of the curriculum. so we picked up a bit. in the uk there was no black history. no mention of england and europes slave trade. no mention of the black people who came to england before windrush before the slave trade. how many people know that in 1330 england had a black queen and teh current royal family has a hidden black heritage that is never mentioned. why is this not taught in the schools. afterall it is uk history right? i went to uni and did some studies on american culture and made sure being that i had the choice to choose several black history modules that in america is deemed grade school knowledge. Teachers in the uk areill equipped culturally todeal with kids from different cultures. a young black boy is seen as aggressive yet a white boy would be seen as assertive. i have seen how teahcers have turned a blind eye to white kids misbehaving and quickly exclude bright black boys. the docu that truth mentioned obviously onlycatere dto white stereotypes as no-one was shown the other views. you fail to realise that black people will save up their pennies and then go and buy their nikes or whatever tickles their fancy. so that argument of beng poor and dressing well in your case holds no weight. i am sure there are many poor white folks who save and treat themselves.

the uk is made up of england scotland wales and north ireland . so to say you are english is not deemed as rascist. you cant blame the minority for the actions of the majority that resulted in you feeling this way. whites have turned truly british symbols including the flag into duo menaings.

Ijexa wrote:
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@Little Ficko

Oh... and before I forget... you yourself have stated that you are not "black" and do not anything to do with or from Africa... so why are you here...?

I can tell you one thing... certainly not for our bettermentor education...

Ijexa


where did I state I wasn't black?

Ijexa: you beat me to it...I want this fool to come back here chatting that fart again..