As a man I accept that I'll never become pregnant. I also reluctantly accept that the final say on whether a child is born or not lies with a women. ButI accept it only conditionally. The condition being that if the choice to go ahead with a birth is one I disagree withI won't be paying to support any such child. The law can kiss arse on this one, find me if you can.

I made the woman pregnant right so I should pay? - No I had sex not wanting a to have a child.

So wear a condom right? Well accidents can still happen with contraception

Ah, well abstain - Yes can't argue with that,should have done but nobody else abstains so why should I.

Anyway tell that to the women who have 200,000 abortions a year in the UK. The women who use abortion as contraceptive. I have never realised howclose to a human being a feutus looks, atas little as eleven weeks, untiltonights Channel 4 My Feutus, which featured an abortion.

I think it isoutrageous that people can claim the killing of a humanbeing as right.A right it is not.It is an unpleasant necessity.The terminologyof abortion should be changedfrom one which is morally neutral to one which has a clear blame element. And the idea that it is a right is stark raving mental.

Instead of abortion it should be something likeDestructionof Unborn Child where there has been a Reckless and InconvenientConception.

I don't think abortion should be illegal but it should be given more respect and not treated as though it is anyones right.There is only one right that matters to me- that is theHuman Right to Lifeof the Unborn Child. If someone told me they were going to kill me because I was inconvenientI wouldn't be verypleased.

The casual attittude taken on issues like this, only serves to devalue human life.

You got that right you dyam fool you better start accepting you won't get pregnant coz you ain't a ****ing woman Dumbo!.

Also you better start acceptin how a woman feels when she hasno choice butto have atermination(e.g rape,..baby being born with aserious defect,...or her life being put at risk,....

before you even consider to start havin a go at women for havin a termination think why!,...

Personally im all for it,....everyone's allowed a choice,....and i can't see abortions being illegalised,.... not now anyway. Showin it on telly is a bit insensitive but hey you don't have to watch it.

Run from your wife or is it run for your life coz you sure the hell ain't got one.mad-moonie

I wanted to watch it. But i crashed out before it started!

I saw an interview with her, and i don't think it would have changed my opinions on the matter.

I did not see it, but i dont agree withit anyway, only under 'special' circumstances, but not to be used as a contraceptive!!

Peace~

i watched it and so did runfromyourwife as he has set up a seperate thread in the mens forum...how come you've got a right to kill a human being...see below...maybe we should continue the discussion there

As a man I accept that I'll never become pregnant. I also reluctantly accept that the final say on whether a child is born or not lies with a women. ButI accept it only conditionally. The condition being that if the choice to go ahead with a birth is one I disagree withI won't be paying to support any such child. The law can kiss arse on this one, find me if you can.

I made the woman pregnant right so I should pay? - No I had sex not wanting a to have a child.

So wear a condom right? Well accidents can still happen with contraception

Ah, well abstain - Yes can't argue with that,should have done but nobody else abstains so why should I.

Anyway tell that to the women who have 200,000 abortions a year in the UK. The women who use abortion as contraceptive. I have never realised howclose to a human being a feutus looks, atas little as eleven weeks, untiltonights Channel 4 My Feutus, which featured an abortion.

I think it isoutrageous that people can claim the killing of a humanbeing as right.A right it is not.It is an unpleasant necessity.The terminologyof abortion should be changedfrom one which is morally neutral to one which has a clear blame element. And the idea that it is a right is stark raving mental.

Instead of abortion it should be something likeDestructionof Unborn Child where there has been a Reckless and InconvenientConception.

I don't think abortion should be illegal but it should be given more respect and not treated as though it is anyones right.There is only one right that matters to me- that is theHuman Right to Lifeof the Unborn Child. If someone told me they were going to kill me because I was inconvenientI wouldn't be verypleased.

The casual attittude taken on issues like this, only serves to devalue human life.

I think we should stick to this thread. Cos that Runfromyourwife, is a bit unstable!

This is a very complex and difficult issue to discuss as there are so many moral under and overtones and the 'rights' for want of a better word of 3 or more human beings including the unborn child conflict

where I will agree with you runfronyourwife is that human life should be valued and that includes the yet to be born human but I will challenge you on your description of woman using abortion as a contraceptive

for one thing, contrary to popular belief a lot of woman do not make the decision to have an abortion all by themselves or even at all the reasons woman have abortion are as wide and varied as the reasons they continue with pregnancy

and sometimes others including the would-be-father, parents, medical professionsals are as influencial if not more influential in the decision to abort an unborn child as the pregnant mother...

so when discussing this issue please can we refrain from the belief that all abortions are by wreckless, selfish, single woman who make the decision without a though for the unborn child or its other parent (though I'm not saying this doesn't happen sometimes before anyone jumps on my case) just saying there are other reasons why abortion happens

Posting my response under both threads

This is a very complex and difficult issue to discuss as there are so many moral under and overtones and the 'rights' for want of a better word of 3 or more human beings including the unborn child conflict

where I will agree with you runfronyourwife is that human life should be valued and that includes the yet to be born human but I will challenge you on your description of woman using abortion as a contraceptive

for one thing, contrary to popular belief a lot of woman do not make the decision to have an abortion all by themselves or even at all the reasons woman have abortion are as wide and varied as the reasons they continue with pregnancy

and sometimes others including the would-be-father, parents, medical professionsals are as influencial if not more influential in the decision to abort an unborn child as the pregnant mother...

so when discussing this issue please can we refrain from the belief that all abortions are by wreckless, selfish, single woman who make the decision without a though for the unborn child or its other parent (though I'm not saying this doesn't happen sometimes before anyone jumps on my case) just saying there are other reasons why abortion happens

It is a very serious issue, one that should be treated with a lot more respect, rather than something that is hijacked by those with their none too hidden a_gender.

Abortion is a necessary tool for population control, otherwise I dread to think how overpopulated the world would be. Butit is no ones right. Only a mad wo/man would define such an awfulbutnecessary act as a right. I totally reject any claim to it as a right.

I'm sure the decision to Destroy an Unborn Child is a difficult one and ultimately the person carrying the child must have the final say. But if it is such a difficult decision perhaps the person who has to makeitshould have exercised the presumably far less traumatic right not to get pregnant in the first place.

Iyallah - exactly!

@ fernando - i saw an interview with her. And she explained, that they wanted to show the reality of what an abortion is, so that people could then make up their own minds.

But I agree with Sista africa it is a complex issue. As for me, I am against abortion, unless it is under extreme circumstances, like rape, incest, where there is danger to the life of the mother or child. I think what most people are against is some women and girls using it like contraception. Like a girl I used to go to school with, who had about 3 or 4 abortions, I KID YOU NOT! As long as there is a choice there, there should be some medical constraints on the reasons given for abortion. Just like there is with someother medical procedures.



My question to everyone is, does the father have any rights over the unborn child. I.e if the woman wants to have an abortion and the father wants to have the baby? After all it is his baby as well. Should he be able to exert his rights? Because I remember a case where a man took his ex wife to court to force her to keep the baby. He lost his case!

I don't judge anyone who has an abortion because many women suffer guilt as a consequence of their actions; & at the end of the day, who are we to judge, everyones circumstance is different.

I agree with runfromyourwife in terms of abortion being a right. It isn't a right or even a necessity under many conditions, simply where birth control (if any used) has failed. I'd like to think that I'd never have an abortion (I'mstrongly opposed to it), however, who's to say that if, God forbid, I was in a situation where pregnancy was caused by rape, or I knew my child would be born with a severe disability where they would have no quality of life, the thoughtwouldn't cross my mind (although I'd like to think that I would be strong enough to bring that child into the world and raise it as best as possible).