Should we have male nurses and hairdressers? Is that a thing that a real man should be doing?Should women be soldiers and firefighters? After all the diffences between the sexes aren't imaginary.

There will always be exceptions (butch women, feminine men) would they be acceptable to opposite sex as a partner. Are there any guys who would date a soldier women or be put off?

What about you women, would you date a beautician or a nurse?

To an extent ther is

Male Nurses arent so bad, after all there are plenty of women patients in Hospital that need eye candy and ypu know how woman dont get along......

Hairdressers and Air Host are female/ fem-male professions in my view

I have no problem with male nurses and hairdressers, and can see good reasons for both. As a father of daughters, I see no reason why I should not learn about at least some aspects of women's hairdressing, and I don't think that makes me less of a man. And if I had sons, I would definitely learn how to cut hair. No problem either with female soldiers and firefighters, though I think men are better suited to both, especially front-line soldiering...I would love to meet a male gynaecologist and ask them why they chose that job, though...

I'd agree that the differences between men and women are real; I wonder whether they are always relevant to carrying out particular kinds of work. In some cases they are, in others they are not. I think that the way that certain jobs are seen as gender-specific causes real problems in certain areas, where there is a need to have both male and female perspectives reflected, but this is notevident in actual employment patterns. At the same time, there is a trend in British culture towards gender-neutrality in every area of work -fine up to a point, but hard to bring about in practice.

I'm an ardent feminist, (at least i like to think i am!), and i don't like sexism towards anybody.I don't think there should be any gender specific jobs.

I think it should be an entirely individual thing, if one feels they can do a job traditionally done by the opposite sex, they should be able to.

However, I have noticed that male 'carers'seem to in the news a lotlately for some sort of abuse so it does make you think.

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After having 2 children i still don't think i could ever date a man that knows more about my female bits than i do lol


I guess i feel that men should do the military jobs and women the nursing jobs....but only on the surface, In fact....i always wanted to be in the RAF and i do all the decorating etc and have gone to work with my father (a builder) on more than one occasion. Kinda double standards huh?

so i beleive that the way i feel is down to the time i grew up, not that i am that old but a lot has changed in my lifetime.

@ athaba..

mmmmmmmm.. sorry cant agree with you there... there are men jobs and women jobs simply because.. some jobs each does better... and those are facts..

i dislike feminist.. of malist or is it masculinest (lol) veiws..

they seem to overlook one thing...

men and women are different...

feminist seem to be hellbent on having women do the same jobs as men.. ok these aint science facts or anything..

mmmmmmmmm

but from my observations...

ok..

give a 7 yr old girl a stone to throw.. and give a 7 yr old boy a stone to throw.. who throws it better.. with more accuracey??

exactly.. i think males are more perceptive and physically coordinated..

now lets say i own a warehouse.. why would i hire a woman over a man to lift heavy boxes when the man obviously will do a better job in that field.. same as if i owned a hotel.. i would prefer to have a woman to be my receptionnist.. as they are more polite and receptive.. and its been proven women can do more things at one time better than a man.. well so i read anyway..

mmmmmmmmmm now in my reasoning.. i cant see why an "ordinary" man would want to be a hairdresser.. unless he has a fetish for hair...

male nuses i understand..

but hairdresser... nah...

put it this way ladies.. say u was in a club... and u sa this good lookin man tall buff....and everthingand u liked him.. and he liked u too.. so he comes over .. asks ur name etc etc.. conversation begins he asks.. so.. what do u do... u answer.. then u ask him... what do you do.. and he says oh.. im a hairdresser at pretty pollys... i bet y'all would be like um (gulp)ok hmmmm.....confused2

exactly..

ps feminst and masculist.. or is chavaunist..veiws..

are bunk...

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give a 7 yr old girl a stone to throw.. and give a 7 yr old boy a stone to throw.. who throws it better.. with more accuracey??

exactly.. i think males are more perceptive and physically coordinated..

Not necessarily Lucas

now lets say i own a warehouse.. why would i hire a woman over a man to lift heavy boxes when the man obviously will do a better job in that field.. same as if i owned a hotel.. i would prefer to have a woman to be my receptionnist.. as they are more polite and receptive.. and its been proven women can do more things at one time better than a man.. well so i read anyway..

Again not necessarily. But what you have to bear in mind is there issuch thing as social conditioning. Some people actually think their way to believing they can't do this or that because of their gender, when really they can.



mmmmmmmmmm now in my reasoning.. i cant see why an "ordinary" man would want to be a hairdresser.. unless he has a fetish for hair...

male nuses i understand..

but hairdresser... nah...

put it this way ladies.. say u was in a club... and u sa this good lookin man tall buff....and everthingand u liked him.. and he liked u too.. so he comes over .. asks ur name etc etc.. conversation begins he asks.. so.. what do u do... u answer.. then u ask him... what do you do.. and he says oh.. im a hairdresser at pretty pollys... i bet y'all would be like um (gulp)ok hmmmm.....confused2

exactly..

I wouldn't think anything Lucas.I have met amale hairdresser and he tookvery goodcare of my hair! He was very gentle. But saying that does not mean to saythat girls would not be as gentle, just that this particular guy was.

To me it is still should be an individual thing whether one feels they could do a job or not.

To classify genders in homogenous fashions,is not really fair is it? Its thinking within a box.

I am not sure that I like the notion of ’gender-specific jobs’ in the sense that there are jobs which are exclusively the domain of men and jobs that exclusively the domain of women. Particularly when, as is usually the case, there is the tendency to value jobs according to the gender those jobs have been ‘attributed’ to. One thing that has done much to fuel the ‘battle between the sexes’ is Society’s misguided notion that so-called ‘man’s work’ (e.g. as the traditional bread winner) is more ‘important’ than so-called ‘woman’s work (e.g. as the traditional home maker). Such simplified views as to the role of men and woman has helped draw the battle lines from which both sexes ‘fight’ their corner; creating conflicts that hinders rather than enhances the process of men and women working effectively together to serve the interest and benefit of ALL rather than the particular interest and benefit of one. So I for one prefer not to get into the ‘labelling game’ assigning jobs on the basis of gender.

However, I have to argue with anyone who wants to push the notion that men and women are the same. Apart from their biological differences there are other ‘attributes’ which distinguish the sexes and which (for simplicity if nothing else) are classified as either ‘feminine’ or ‘masculine’. This is not to say that a man cannot posses or display feminine characteristics or visa versa, just that ’on average’ or ’by and large’ a woman would possess and display ‘feminine’ attributes/characteristics and a man would possess and display ‘masculine’ attributes/characteristics.

This is posed purely as a statement of fact and does not suggest in anyway that one set of attributes/characteristics is better, more useful or superior to the other. Or to put it another way, men are not ‘better’, superior, or ‘more valuable’ than women or visa versa. They just have different (‘on average/by and large’) inherent attributes/characteristics by virtue of their gender.

In the course of life there are a myriad of situations/jobs/tasks etc. which are best tackled using an ‘attribute’ or ‘attributes’ normally associated with one of the sexes……………a simple example of this is in the case of lifting something heavy where one is more likely to ask a man rather than a woman.……..So therefore it can be said that on average/by and large the person ‘possessing’ the necessary attribute is [/b]likely[/b] to be the best (in that situation) to do that job. Following on with this simple example, surely it cannot be disputed that ‘the average man’ is physically stronger than ‘the average woman’? That is the way the sexes are made and that is why we would tend to see men rather than women doing things (in sports, work, at home etc.) which involve the use of ‘physical strength’.
HOWEVER this does not mean that ALL men are physically stronger than ALL women.....I can think of a few women I would not wish to tussle with for sure.

NEITHER does it mean that jobs requiring physical strength should SOLELY be the domain of men.....for as I said before, though an attribute may be more prevalent in one gender than the other, does not mean that it is NEVER found in the other. Therefore rather than saying strictly that there are ‘men jobs’ and ‘women jobs’ I prefer to say that there are jobs which require attributes which can be described as feminine or masculine. To the extent that WHOEVER is called upon to do that job, is in possession of said attributes there should be nothing barring them from being considered for that job.

The other consideration for me in all of this is that the issue of determining the necessary attributes can be fraught with dangers where the ‘subjective’ judgement of the one doing the determining comes into play. Therefore, when a man is determining what a job requires he may go out of his way to find reasons why ‘masculine attributes’ are better suited, and visa versa when a woman is doing the determining. Still I am sure if we look at things objectively (and holistically) we will see that the question is not one of whether something is ‘woman’s work’ or ‘man’s work’ but rather one of ’Who is it that possesses the attributes best suited for the task?.

Some things are best handled using ‘feminine’ attributes/characteristics!

some things are best handled using ‘masculine’ attributes/characteristics!

Some things are best handled using a combination of both!......otherwise what is the point of having relationships and building families for example?

It is sad when we fail to appreciate the ‘usefulness’ or ‘value’ of what a person does simply because we think that what a male ’possesses’ the attribute to do is more important than what a female ’possesses’ the attribute to do (or visa versa) .

Respect

I agree with athaba, i think it should be looked at individually.

'Generally' there are things that we 'assume' a man or a woman would be better at doing but that doesnt mean that someone from the opposite sex can not do it.

A lot of it is down to social conditioning as athaba said. Women are normally better at plaiting because boys are not usually encouraged to learn. Same with mechanics / football, men are usually better, but if a girl was to have an interest and learn how to do it then why not, she may even end up being just as good orbetter than some of the men at it!! confused3you never know.

I know men should be able to lift heavier things than a women, but there are some weak men too and some strong women, so would be better for the job in this scenario?

I have met male hairdressers and he was FAR from gay, but he had a gift. Even in US most of the weave masters are men, and not all of them are 'camp'.

Look at bakers that bake cakes, some of the wickedest ones are men.

And most of the gynaecologists i have seen were men!

People should be able to do what they are good at.

PEace~

MALE HAIRDRESSERS- THEIR IS NICKY CLARK AND LOTS OF OTHER FAMOUS HAIRDRESSERS THAT ARE MALE AND STRAIGHT.

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im so not a fan of subjective argueing..mmmm anayway..

ok..lemme rephrase

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take the average 7 yr old boy.. and the average 7 yr old girl.. give them a stone and say throw.. the stone and hit that post.. and 99.9% the boy will throw it harder and with more accuracey than the girl... or even say kick that ball.. and the boy will kick it with more accuracy than the girl...

look at women football compared to men football....anybody with a shred of of honesty will admit.. those women look funny...

whereas... for some reason i wouldnt say that about athletics...

also if u check it...

athletes sometimes .. take steroids... and sterioids is testasterone... a male produced hormone... and yes i know that women also produce this in very small quantaties...

but it is a male hormone... athletes ie bodybuilders.. powerlifters... and some.. sprinters...take this drug..

for:

strength

co-ordination

perception

endurance..

it also increases... agression.. ambition.. drive etc...

notice the women powerlifters.. how they look like men... and even some sprinters...

yes thats the reason.. why.. steroids..

and it aint just ben johnson... or dwaine chambers. who takes testasterone... they are just the ones who got caught... trust me.. if the powers that be.. were to implement random tests.. with relatively frequency.. a good 80% would be in hot water.. especially in the offseason.



well i said all of that to say this...

im sorry in an ideal world... some of us would like to believe that there are no gender specified job... but im afraid.. if u look deeper... it is very apparent.. some jobs are better done by specific genders..

annother point and i was watchin a documentary... the other day wheere... its now a documented fact ... that a growing trend... now is top executive women takin testasterone.. so they are more agressive... goal driven in the workplace... to match their male counterparts...

in america testasterone will be available to the public to buy in cream form... to increase drive.. some old men.. used as test subjects.. sad when they put the cream on .it ..made them more active... perceptive... etc.. and it was proven women find them more attractive..

now as we all now.. as we grow old.. our bodies stop producing the mle based..(testasterrone) and female based (estrogen).



anyway...i think i kinda went off topic a bit there... mmmmmm...but it ties up..

anyway..

let me ask one question...

how many women ideally wouldwant their boyfriend.. father

to be a hairdresser...

let me see if subjectiveness will blind the obvious truth....

thus... illustrating even more.. the diffrence between men and women...

which is logic

and guys how mny of you would like your girlfriend to be a mechanic or a a mason (and i aint talkin about some fantasy with a sexy woman 36DDin overalls lol).. im talking boutpicture ur moms or ur sister as a mechanic...