I'm going to make a request, I'm going to ask all the intelligentVilagers who frequent this Village to Educate those I label the Stupid-Smart. Those who think that their European Education and Big time job somehow confers upon them a superior status.. Or those Africans of mixed parentage who seems not to understand what is meant by an ALL-African Village..

In particular I going to name two individuals Midori & Feary1 and I'm going to ask people not to just diss them out of hand.. Sometimes people need to be told verbatim what part of their behaviours others find offensive and what it is they do to contribute to their own problems.. Ok these types of people might never get it, but I'm saying today that we need explain in clear terms by highlighting their offending remarks and explain what it is they do that we findoffensive on an ALL African board..and not ASSUme they understand because clearly it seems to me they obviously don't understand or accept their responsibility.

So people from today when these two people make remakes that are insulting don't just name call and diss them arbitrarily, take time out to explain to them what you were offended by...It time to educate, time to teach the stupid-smart!!!

Seems like one of the feats of Hercules to me. Educating them two.

@kunjufu

Whatever your intention, surely by callling them or anyone 'stupid smart', does not send out a message that you wish to 'help' does it!?

These crimes were commited by the pair identified above.

• Flaunting academic qualifications when they are completly irrelevant to a topic being discussed as if they give weight to your post and strengthen your point... they don't.
• Constant reference to a non black partner and the reasons you think its preferable to a black partner. This is not the place!
• Useage of the word INBRED to describe unmixed black people
• Constant refernce to the other races you are mixed with and the assertions or innuendos that you feel this gives you a better perspective or makes you a better person. Stop it now.
• Labelling the whole forum as racist and Nazis... To my knowledge nobody has advocated violence or expressed hatred of anybody, they have defended their right to celebrate black love which has been attacked. To make Hitler comparisons or call people names is childish and doesn't work.
• When the majority opinion was against you for these offences you responded by saying EVERYBODY had a ghetto menatlity and we were all still in school. When majority opninion is against you, you must consider that you were in the wrong (not always but definately here).

Now I know you will feel that you ave been picked on and yes people have said mean and nasty things to you too. While some views and statements may have been over the top and name caling was involved you must understand where the original blame lies.... please think about the points Ive made and consider your conduct in future.

@ Midori, we can and do discuss the problems within black society but your post and arguments were that we are bad to ourselves in a unique way that is just not true. You implication was that there is somethingwrong with us as oppsed to something wrong with all society and this is obviously untrue... obviously you upset people, you may have well as brought up the bell curve nonsense. Just think about it

@Kunjufu & Drunkmonkey

EXcellent my Brothers

Never compromise your beliefs - HOLD THE LINE!!

You are two leaders - you leadership is being tested.

We are watching and learning.

What you are doing here is important, you must not forget your duty as powerful black men to show firm but fair leadership.

Your primary duty is to establish order, a safe place for us to play, discussand even sometimesfight.

We are mostly black - and the issues that concern usmustbe paramount - some will no like it

thats too bad.

For those who don't like it they should be reminded that -

You do not walk into a mans home and tell him how to behave in his own home.

You do not walk into a mans house and tell him how badyou think he treats the other members of his family .

You do not walk into a mans home and tell him how much you love his enemyand hate him.

You do not walk into a mans home andtell how poor the quality of his possessions are, and brag about the better quality of your own.

If you do - any self respecting man will show you the door - better yet - put you through it.

Anyone who thinks they can get away with this betrays their own deep seated racism.

Why would you go to a black mans house and think that you can get away with that type of conduct?

Do you think blacks are too stupid to be offended? Or is it because we are merely black folks,therefore have no right to be offenedbyyourdisrespectful conduct?

If you join a club - you abide by the rules of that club that's how simple it is.

This Blacknet is increasingly becoming anunapologeticallyblack club - where black is promoted - where black is celebrated, where black comes first and last.

It's unfortunate that some will feel alienated by by that.

@All. First Run right on the money every time. Made me laugh some of the comments you made because certain things are so obvious, like how you conduct yourself in people's homes which is driven into decent people rich or poor via good home training by parents.

Boy oh boy oh boy. Kunjufu has posed a very stiff one. Challenge that is. The reason I said this and it goes back to many things Run has outlined so clearly.

Education and learning is a predisposition, a mindset etc. Facts and knowledge does not education maketh...If someone has a deep rooted disposition you are wasting your time and I say this not only from here but experience on teaching people at various levels. If somebody chooses not to hear or understand something, no matter how elequently or lucid the explanation, it makes little real impact.

Most black people comply with white expectations when it comes to learning, to one degree or another, and particularly the people in question. They have litte difficulties I suggest in accepting what white teachers tell them and that is a safe bet or white people more experienced (or even less experience and knowledgable than themselves). I have seen this time and time again where a white squirt who knows nothing or of little calibre assumes that they have superiority over a black person who is clearly their superior.

So learning does not take place in isloation and is a relational matter, in so far to learn we have to put ourselves in the position to do so and that is contingent on adopting different roles and behaviour/attitude to facilitate that process. Part of that process is having a positive dispostion and open mind objectivity to facts which other parties present which I assume both these individuals, with one being a scientist and the other a lawywer, clearly understands, never mind the whole science and art of obective reasoning and deduction.

I am never surprised when people of such backgrounds come here and chat foolishness which shows how dislocated and unitegrated they are. As one of my professor use to say having a competent head for the subjects but not having the capactity to bring that same head to life or the multitude of problems and issues therein, which are far more complex and demanding than a set syllabus which a monkey can internalise.

However and it is charactersitic of many types of people and can be seen by revisiting their arguments, that these people are themselves abolutely closed mind, bias in the extreme in facts, events and experiences when presented by black people, as they simply could not operate in such a maner in the white worlds they inhabit professionally, which goest to RFYW's point which I have inverted.

They would not come with that offensive shit, never not for one second. They would not parade such offensive ignorant mentalities in front of their white peers or superiors, never mind as Kunjufu pointed out open their mouths to make such offensive comments on a persistent and consistent basis.

But leave the white man's environment, just reach in a black community and want to start disrespecting people. When I know not one of them would make such comments in my pressence as a professional in a white man's house.

Your views on what and how you handle those black people who are pyschologically entrenched in the enemy camp is dependent on your philosphy. My view is a simple one. As a solidier your resources, time, energy, ability is always very limited and the demands multiple.

How I use my time is contingent on how it can best be put to use. I said this a long time ago and I repeat it today. I am no longer a member of a churh and involved in the conversion business. Saving souls ain't my trade or occupation.

If I have a serious desire to know things, which is my natural disposition, I have enough intelligence to know what behaviour is more likely to achieve this. Equally, as we are not dealing with kids, we also know how to behave if we don't give a flying f**k..

So I have to question the efficacy if only in my own mind to why I would want to educate such people. I agree abuse is not ideal, but do not deny people the right to abuse and tell somebody about their arse if they just reach and start offensive behaviour. That is normal human behaviour and as black people we have the right to expect nothing less. Even though we can always hope for more ,but it is not mandatory.

I am not sure on grounds of principle or pragmatic tactics how it helps our people to forever being forced to adopt some super human abnormal standard for dealing with particular every day issues which all humans have the right to respond in the way they do.

If you keep insulting me and stepping on my toe after being consistently warned and I cannot go elsewhere or choose not to, eventually I am going to burst your arse one way or another. I am not beholden to any notions that somehow I as a black man is somehow expected to behave in some abnormal, or held to some exceptional standard, failing that I as a black man must accept responsibiltiy....FOR WHAT......I/ BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM ON SUCH MATTERS...AND ACCEPT NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR BREATHING....

Interests are as important if not more than abstract ideas and I believe if we were going to invest, not waste time, in educating people these two sisters are poor candidates. When you are sleeping with whites and Arabs this is not an issue of debate or discussion, as fundamental life altering decisions have already been made and the path is already the psychological charted in most cases.

If I was to invest, not waste my time discussing with black women, they would be first black women. Women regardless of their degree of madness or the reverse, who have a basic respect and commitment to black people

When you call other black people Nazi's in joke or seriousness you have no respect and contempt for our people, our children and our dead and those who are harmed everdy in every place where our people live. Black people are more harmed than they ever harm anyone and yet still seen as the friendliest people on the planet, and hence illustrates for me the depth of such insults.

Go to Russsia and call someone a Nazi, or Hungary or most European countries and see what will happen to your arse. But they want to try it here. For me there is a line of no return and once you reach it, I would be a fool to invest a second more on such people.

How many times must somebody tell you what they think of you and your people. In my village and community back home, we are proud to be members of our group and related to each other and share that common pride. We carried that pride here to London and is part of our community ethos in our immediate borough.

We beg no stragglers or homeless to join our ranks, coz we ain't running charity.

How does the geat Jamaican visionary Sizla put it....

"WE NAH BEG NO FRIEND.."..

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@Fredblack: WOW

@100% Ghetto: as long as you choose a name like GHETTO to show your love for black people, you will NEVER get accepted or get given respect

I dont live in a posh area. Its no ghetto either. And there are more black people where I am than where you are in the Midlands. I can guarantee that.

No where in England is a ghetto. Try going to Nairobi or maybe New York /LA you may find a ghetto. Or where lots of white crackers are. Now thats ghetto.

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