Sista Girl: just to extend your very good point, I recall that I had an hell of a time because people didn't believe that I could be successful and married to a blackwomen.. The ASSumption was that I must be with a white women. You know I had to bring in a picture just to show these silly people that not all of us forget ourselves when a little bit of success comes our way..

I also the numerous times on Blacknet when I have been accused of pushing my education on people, as if I should be ashamed of it..sorry i don't get that.. Why must everything be taken down to the lowest common denominator and not up.. This is what frustrated on the Village until this version of the board got up and running last year.

in the previous two versions precious few black people wanted to debate as we do now as standard for fear of being labelled all sorts of names..Why is an intellectual debate so frown upon within our society..

DM...is that question for me?

If so...in a sense it's what you just said plus they see it as the non-black jobs..i.e. only the blacks are supposed to hold the lower-level positions...so when you get called up (promoted)....you're considered one of them now.

@ Ashanti yes it was and you answered it well.

@ Kunjufu

also the numerous times on Blacknet when I have been accused of pushing my education on people, as if I should be ashamed of it..sorry i don't get that

I usually get vex when people bring up education to emphasise a point. Like blah blah blah and Im have a degree in blah blah so I know what Im on about. The iimplication is the person being adressed doesn't know and has an opinion less valid.

Simply to be upset because someone else has a degree and you don't belies a low self esteem...cliche I know but it is true.Thats quite pathetic.

Respectly, I also dont believe the nonsense of men being threatened by succesful women, thats a tired but is widely believed simply because its so often repeated. I have never been threatened by a womans success my last girlfriend made way more money than me but it was never a problem for her or me...

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@ Kunjufu

Why not point out those that get in power and can't wait to make their male subordinates feel small, call them out like lil boys and generally strive to embarass them in the workplace eh?

I think its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other but speaking as a man I cant envisage how a woman in control or more succesful is a greater threat to me than a man??

We will just have to disagree on this point sir

Well personally I never had that attitude around me. All I got was pure love when I was studying for four years. Changed from being permantely brock pocket to having some change and a shiny new company car. Around brothers who were maybe not working etc. But no bad mind from them. And members of family who have got degrees have had no problem.

I must be the minority reading this thread. But I will say this. I have had man and women I know and maybe havent seen for a while wanting to flaunt their success in front of me. What big job there doing now.. what size house they just bought.. etc. The first things they say. Not even a "hello hows your brother,you still have the cat whatever".. I have family like this however.. and I cant stand their company for more than a few hours. Because everything is about how big there runnings are.. how everything they touch turns to gold..makes you wonder why the hell they still doing what theyre doing and in the same place.

At the same time I would say there is a ghetto mentality among many Africans here more so Carribeans though thats changing.. that feel that the sciences, philosophy, education are somehow not for them..hence why so many youths want to be bloody rappers, or in music. Makes me sick.

Thats my experience.

Oppression leads to the underdevelopment of a people. This underdevelopment affects them in many areas: socially, politically, economically. There is no debate here.

What about the underdevelopment of their minds? Can we talk about holding down a group of people without talking about the stunting of their intellect - That God given faculty that seperates humans from Animals?

An admission of oppression should cause one to reflect on what exactly is being held back or not allowed to develop.

Any African who attacks another African for using that which is gonna get us out of this mess were in (Brains), is part of the problem.

Malcolm said what?

"Liberate our minds, by any means neccessary"


UHURU

@ Mansamusa

Maybe we should a thread on the growth of the luddite culture and its effects on a street level?

Like FB, I didn't see the thread but I would just like to add that woman or man we as black people should stand & clp)as this is what we need on a large scale from the ordinary folk amongst us to help put us back on track & in doing so not being too reliant on being the best derogatory/derisary girl with lack off clothes shaking booty vids that seem to be the only way that the up & coming youngsters seem/want to be..

You can sing dance act perform but the negativity seems to be the be all & end all..Nowgetting a degree is a wonderful honour & something that should be embraced, JJ said that she had to pick who she told about the good as not to be hit down by a vast array of snipers in her own family..Sad but true because even though outwardly they smile in your face & congratulate, inwardly they are vex & wish it was them & hate the fact that you are boasting..

Boasting yes why should you not, you have worked hard for this honour so bask in your 15minutes of glory/joy/self satisfaction..But remember like the boy who cried wolf if you over do it people will turn their back on you & play deaf..

@ Blackmatta :I wouldn't say that its only the English who like to bash, black people are too red-eye generally sad but true we love to back stab & then will turn round & want to pick you up after making you fall from a great height..

offtopic.

@BlackBeauty

The other day I was in a London town centre and there were some young brothers rapping (not MCing) rapping/US style..not particulary well either.

I thought. Why are those brothers playing steppin fetchit for the masses. Cant they find anything other to display (I mean whatever) than playing the Black minstrel.

I like rap. But anytime its Black youth in that town centre doing something in a formal framework its rapping.

Its bullshit!

@Johncrow234

Promoting African names and promoting African languages is a way of liberating the mind.:P:P:P

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