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YT wrote: YT: LMAO.. oh dear you still on that on..ok Let me own it, I do not not do self deprecation, sorry but I just don't do it.. I work hard and therefore I think, I feelI have a right and in my view a duty to flag up an expertise if its relevant to the discussion or to the point..

I accept that some people won't like the way I do this but, at the end of the day there is a distinction between doing this, and the actions of people I have observed who maliciously look to take out their own inadequencies on others..

At the end of the day I know in my heart what my intention are, so I sleep very soundly at nights..

No doubt we need change as I think the way we think is effecting us generation after generation. I want to pick up on the issue of the youth, such potential is wasted for various reasons. 1) As we all know the only things many youths aspire to be are footballers and Rappers, as these are the only successful images of black people seen, respected and therefore reinforced. 2) Many black youths are sacred of moving out of their comfort zone, in fear that it will change them. I have actually seen people with the grades to go to Cambridge but are unwilling to do so for the reason above. 3) There is a lack of awareness about education. An example I would give is a couple of years ago different boys from my secondary school opted for GNVQ's in Business or even P.E whilst they had the grades to do A levels and therefore widen their opportunities for a University place. There is nothing wrong with GNVQ's and there are a number of other ways to success other than education, however i just feel many young people close there minds to the things around them because it is not seen as worthy in many younger sects of the black community. Me and a friend were talking about how a drug dealer dealing in ounces had the potential to become an accountant, it may sound stupid but I know a youth who is testimony to this point.

Regarding having a black person as your boss it has always caused controversy, many people are just not used to it and find it difficult to adjust. As a black person you are constantly used to white figures being in a position of authority, for example when you are child the majority of your teachers are white, if you have always lived in this country, your PM is white as isyour policemen etc. Nonetheless the disrespect received by successful people in our community is out of order.One point I want to raise isto any members who are bosses, mangers etc have you ever hadany black employees expect more from you than just moral support? i.e you are a teach and that person expects a good grade because he or she to has Afircan/Carribean background.

Following on from athaba point I believe it is important to be schooled on life as well as education, i think Malcom X being the prime example. To me to have a degree is a significant and respectful achievement but to know yourself and your culture is just as important, if you have a balance of the two and are not arrogant anyone who is down playing your success to me is plain hating.

Amin: clp)clp)clp)clp)Thank you for your contribution, yours was a really top notch insightful post well said. I can't expand on your first paragraph now as I'm way too tired. But i hope others do because you made some very important points very important points indeed..

I don't understand people sometimes. What is wrong with self-praise and commending yourself. If I put in hard and i mean damn hard work to get where I'm at I damn well going to pat myself on the back in public regardless of what anyone thinks of me.

But I really don't understand it because isn't your Curriculum Vitae full of your acheivements don't you use self-praise to get a job.

If someone works hard for something and they want to rejoice in it and share it with others why not, why keep your joy bottled up.

Is it only OK when someone else is praising you for the things you did. Damn I need to walk around with a fake entourage telling me how good I am at what I do.

Its not about throwing it at someone, sometimes the success of others motivates people to succeed themselves. Why take everything negatively.

"oh I got a 2:1 worked really hard"

'why you throwing it in my face for'confused3

I'm buying a new car saved up for a year

'Why you throwing it in my face for'confused3

I'm getting a promotion or a pay rise

'Why you throwing it in my face for. Sell out'confused3

Damn be happy for someone. Simply a case of I SPOT IT BUT AINT GOT IT

You don't need to look to other peoples success to define your own.

My thoughts: I SPOT IT BUT AINT GOT IT lolbanana.gifbanana.gifbanana.gif

this has been going on for years, i remember older people talking about it when i was growing up....

it`s plain jealousy.

my parents said it would change....., it hasn`t

i`m hoping it will change......, i doubt it...(there will always be negative people around)

very good topic though clp)clp)clp)



YT

Ho Hum - Hilarious LOL!

Black folks who hate the success of other black folks.??confused3LOL!

Yeh RFYW - is here but I apologise for being late. :-) Perhaps we coud have saved a few minds if RFYW got here in time.

Well -anyone who reads my posts will know that I'm am not going to join in this self pitying exercise.

But it's good that we are all - laden with education and so good at using our brains because this will challenge our objectivity. LOL!

What we have here is a replayof theMarcus Garvey - WEB Dubois conflict. :-)

Marcus Garvey,had littleformal education. WEB Dubois was laden with education - white mans degrees.

Mr Du Bois hated Marcus Garvey - why? because he was jealous of Garveys organisational brilliance. With all his (Du Bois) education he was pretty much on themargins of the movement in their era.

Marcus Garveys UNIA, on the other hand had 12million followers, the almost total supportof blacks in the US.

My point - so you've got a degree - and?

Are you a MarcusGarvey or A WEB Du Bois. LOL!

Also how do you know the people you say are jealous of your degree - don't have a degree themselves?

How do you know that people are jealous? It's not the kind of thingpeople admit to, even if true - why do you assume peoples reactions to you are motviated by jealousy? LOL!

To borrow a term from pop psyche, maybe you're "projecting" how you feel about those more successful than you onto those you think are less successful than you. LOL!

Some regard their education as nothing more than a means to and end, as something that simply enhances your job prospects. Others regard it as something that sets them apart from every one else. That's why they are always the first to wavetheir education inyour face.

That'show we know who iseducated - because theykeep telling how educated they are.LOL!

That's makes you a bore. So perhaps what you perceive as jealousy is nothing more than boredom.

If you think you are being hated on becauseof your educational or vocational achievements -I contend thatit says more about you than it does about those you say are hating. :-)

This thread was started because some people were, admittedly beingquite mean spirited about the news posted by some one telling of their exam success.

Exam success is a matter for celebration - and we should applaud andenjoy the individual success story.

However in this thread what I'mwitnessing is equally mean spirited. In fact what is being revealed is the contempt that some hold for others whom they obviously feel are beneath them.

This is an own goal - because I've never hearda black say about another black"I'm jealousof that blacks success."

I haveseen and heard and read ;-) plenty of blacks exhibitingthe most crude snobbery towards their own simply becausethey have achieved some routine educationalstatus or acquired some material object.

My question is -Why do they do that? LOL!

blkscholar

I don't think its just an education problem - maybe its more of a generation thing but most black people I know, know that finishing a degree means nothing the hardest work has just begun and that is finding your career.

Now the other black people my age in my expereinceare boxing themselves into certain areas only wanting to be a rapper or entertainer and see blacks wearing suits and ties working in the corporate world as sell outs why.confused3

Now I can't speak for the older generation but maybe in cases snobbery is evident or perhaps even looking down on the uneducated or unsuccessful is apparent. But i know from a lot of my limitedexperience that certain black people of my generation has the "white man is going to stop me from being all I can be anyway so why should I buss my ass to succeed" mentality.

So in turn they see successful black people in this white man world as sell outs because they see them as adapting who they are or what they believe in or how they talk to suit white people. Now I just can't agree with that because that is justification for laziness.

Amin touched on it in one of her postshowthe younger generations limiting themselves to certain areaswherepotential is wasted when all they can see is to be successful you can only belong to certains areas.

Also I agree with what you say @RFYW to a certain extent degreesand education is not practical in the real world. It is more of a status thing, however companies or whatever want to see that you've lived life also. Its like I know a girl who got a first in her degree from UCL worked as hard as could be didn't go out much but employers turned her down because she had no real valuable LIFE experience.

Also in any debate most people are likely to say to you what are your sources, where do you get your information or these questions are implied from tone of voice so it should be acceptable without attempting to belittle the other person by mentioning your educational background.

Its another thing people seem to accept more than anything if I was to say I read books on the subject people would reject the credibility of it, if I was to say I got a masters on the subject suddenly it sounds more credible and feasible.

Plus we as black people in general hace the tendency to scrutinise successful black people anyway.It maynot be motivated by jealousy but look at all the celebrities we scrutinise and criticise them no matter what and some harshly as well.

So I think its a mentality that we have here is that if you are successful then what are you doing for the black community, if we believe you are not doing enough or you're doing for the wrong reasons then that said person would be criticise within the black community.

Look at Oprah and Bill Cosby successful black people in their own right, look at the scrutiny they have come under just on this site, rightly or wrongly is not the issue. Its just something we do.

hmm, read every post reply here, but i agree with runfomyour wife and yt.