On another thread a sister announced that she had a gained 2.1 degree, far from being an occassion for universal celebration some people decried her and accused her of being boasey. Now I'm not having a pop at those particular posters, because I've had similar treatment myself from my own people. Who after bemoaning the lack of black Management, when they got it in me then turned around and weremy most severe critics. I've seen this type of behaviour replicanted in other areas and with other people too often for this to be a coincidence.. So i'm asking what is that about?

How can we bemoan the fact that we're not doing well in schools and university but then frown and attack those who do well in the very areas we say, is under represented by blacks, this does not make sense to me.

I get the impression in some Africans/Carribeans that they feel or become really uncomfortable to see others do well.. and there definatewly appears to be culture of self deprecations that speak to the majority of us, it tell us we should not be proud or highlight our achievements for fear of others feelings..is this true if so why?

I think it was based on the fact that the person who gained their degree was a women.

The only people who criticized her were men (I think).

Plus you've got to factor in all the threads and posts on 'black professional women' and the rest.

I don't get it myself, as she didn't really lord it over anyone. I'm personally happy she achieved something for herself.

Name: point taken, so why is it that some men feel so threaten by women to that extent, even if she was lording over us..as far as I'm concerned she earned that right..If she was lording it over me with nothing but dry shit inna her batty that would be different, but she aint so whats up with that?

It makes us think about our own inadequacies.

We all want succesful black people yes but secretly we want it to be us. When somebody beats us to it we start thinking not of them but of ourselves. How come Im not the manager? Im smart! I work hard.... They must have got it because (insert excuse here). We measure ourselves up to them and we get upset only if we feel upset with ourselves.

If Im happy being a streetsweeper and Im fufilling my potential by bringing home a wage and paying my bills then I got no reason to be jealous of anyone. If Im a streetsweeper because I never fufilled my potential and I could have been a doctor then I resent those who made it... why them? Whatdo they have about them that I don't?

You don't want to believe that a person might have worked harder or be smarterbut you think it inside (deep down) It might not even be true, maybe they were lucky but because deep down you can't admit to yourself that you never did what you should have then you lash out instead of being happy for the next person. Well M8 you the boss now gwarn bad man! you don't say that you make excuses and hate the success of someone else.

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Aha, so the truth is coming out about women with degrees lol, so all that bashing about professional women and now you realise that all the time it is something to be celebrated. where is rfyw?

@Unless I am missing something I did not see anybody lording anything over anyone. Just a sister sharing her joy.confused3

Shame would have loved to have seen the actual posts which everyone is referring to.

General point, feelings of jealousy, or fear or presumptions of something, largely negative. Perhaps they whoever would be happier if the sister did not have a degreeconfused3

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Its not a man/woman thing and woe betide anybody who tries to turn it into one....

Why would I be threatened by a woman having a degree? sillyness Im threatened by menacing 7" monsters.

This is about success versus unsucess or unfufilled potential simple as.

Successful men get hated on too. My friends doing masters or those in really good jobs are hated on too.

Keep the man/woman ting out of it for once please?

Can I just say that I want a serious debate on what i think is a serious issue please, whilst I take your point Soofresh. I don't think this issue is restricted to just women. I've had this same stuff aimed at me by both men & women..

i've come to the conclusion that a significant number of black people cannot cope/handle/take (take your pick) having a Black person supervise or manage them.. does this go back to slavery?

I've seen black folks take shit from white managers but give me hell for helping themhow does that work?

damn okay point taken !

@Kunjufu right on the money. There may be some whose buttons are pressed by women, but I have seen this from day one against people with superior education which sends particular types of people into a frenzy.

In fact I am confident if we went through all the posts ever generated on Blacknet there will be more abuse against the educated people and those dubbed "intellectuals" in particular than probably anyone.

The sad thing is and it is sad is these people are extremely ignorant. We need more black intellectuals man woman whoever, as there are hardly any, especially examining the things our people need examining and education and action on.....Moreover to assume intellecutal or whatever is opposed to action or practical application, only shows how ignorant these people are..

I remember a debate last year with Ijexa and this brother who simply out of his depth, started to get abusive and said something to the effect that he bet Ijexa was some little skinny geeky freak who could not talk in that way in real life eg attacking his masculinity. I just shook my head in disbelief.

The assumption being because a black man is highly articulate and intelligent he could not take my boy out in a flash. What world do these people inhabit, that is what comes to mind for me? I don't come from that world or would make those foolish assumptions about anyone.

I have said this before, when somebody hurled similar abuse at me, that their mind set is what has been called "lumpenism" ,which has a stereotypical and narrow concept of what being black is about that does not reflect reality. In fact it is as stereotypical and limiting as the labels whites put on us.

Hence anything which challenges that, they get threatened and vex and intimidated. You see this in this romantic vision that only the street and ordinary eg lowest common denominator counts and any thing which deviates to be attacked or condemned.

It is pure backwardness and fails to understand the basic reality they claim to know and see changed as the majority of great black people were not lumpens...far from and on the contrary. Those who created our most outstanding civilisations or contributions to them were not lumpens. People like Paul Robeson a multi talented genius was no lumpen. Marcus Garvey was not a lumpen, but lower middle class in birth and middle class in occupation, education and sophistication. In most cases they were distinguished and distinct in important ways eg education, sophitication via travel and exposure to other things.

So quite frankly these people are ignorant and backward..

As long as a person has fundamental basic values who cares how different they are?


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In a scenario like that Kunjufu....it could be many things of course Jealousy being one but some people get comfortable when all are on the same level and then as soon assomeone from that groupgets promoted then all hell breaks loose...they feel threatened and no longer see you as one of them but view you as the enemy or colluding with someone higher up who in many caseslooks nothing like them.

Its happening with a lady whom my mother knows...she got moved up to supervisor in her department and she is catching a lot of flack and blatant disrespect. But everything was cool when she was in the same position as the folks she is now over...they call in sick or come in late more, she has to cover for them, they talk about her behind her back...she sometimeswishes she didn't get the promotion.

Ashanti wrote: .Ashanti: The senario you paint is not sadly uncommon, so just as Fred did some tough talking on the Ragga/beenie man thread. I think that some tough talking needs to bedone here. People cannot be cussing the 'whiteman', cussing how we get put down in schools and then how we are denied jobs and then be carrying on worse in some cases than the whiteman. when they have a black Boss.

I know quite a few Black Managers and there is NOT one i've spoken to who has not had trouble from black subordinates who do just about everything to make their lives hell. Sorry but this shit needs to be addressed.

I mean what sort of message does that sent our to our youth, if you educate yourself, workhard and achieve you can expect your OWN people to stick you the back.. why would anyone strive to do anything others than badness eh?