Welcome to the African and Caribbean Social network.
You are currently are in guest mode which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access other features. By joining this free African Caribbean Social utility you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), upload images, add videos, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, join the African and Caribbean community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
|
 imported post |
|
|
|
Village Newbie
|
|
Posts: 27
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
23-07-04, 06:07 PM
[color=#23238e][size=4][color=#23238e][size=2]
[align=center]Introduction
Numerous evidence suggests that Muslims from Spain and West Africa arrived in the Americas at least five centuries before Co1umbus. It is recorded, for example that in the mid-tenth century during the rule of the Umayed Caliph Abdul-Rahman III (929-961), Muslims of African origin sailed westward from the Spanish port of Delba (Palos) into the “Ocean of darkness an fog.� They returned after a long absence with much booty from a “strange and curious land.� It is evident that people of Muslim origin are known to have accompanied Columbus and subsequent Spanish explorers to the New World.
The last Muslim stronghold in Spain, Granada, fell to the Christians in 1492 CE, just before the Spanish inquisition was launched. To escape persecution, many non-Christians fled or embraced Catholicism. At least two documents imply the presence of Muslims in Spanish America before 1550 CE. Despite the fact that a decree issued in 1539 CE, by Charles V, King of Spain, forbade the grandsons of Muslims who had been burned at the stake to migrate to the West Indies. This decree was ratified in 1543 CE, and an order for the expulsion of all Muslims from overseas Spanish territories was subsequently published. Many references on the Muslim arrival in the Americas are available. They are summarized in the following notes: [/align]
The future belongs to those who prepare for it today. -Malcolm X
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Village Newbie
|
|
Posts: 27
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
23-07-04, 06:27 PM
[align=center][color=#23238e][size=2] Al-Masudi (871 - 957 CE) wrote in his book ‘Muruj Adh-dhahab wa Maadin al-Jawhar’ (The Meadows of Gold and Quarries of Jewels) that during the rule of the Muslim Caliph of Spain Abdullah Ibn Muhammad (888 - 912 CE), a Muslim navigator Khashkhash Ibn Saeed Ibn Aswad of Cordoba, Spain sailed from Delba (Palos) in 889 CE, crossed the Atlantic, reached an unknown territory (Ard Majhoola) and returned with fabulous treasures. In Al-Masudi's map of the world there is a large area in the ocean of darkness and fog (the Atlantic ocean) which he referred to as the unknown territory (the Americas).
2. A Muslim historian Abu Bakr Ibn Umar Al-Gutiyya narrated that during the reign of the Muslim Caliph of Spain, Hisham II (976 -1009 CE), another Muslim navigator Ibn Farrukh of Granada sailed from Kadesh (February 999 CE) into the Atlantic, landed in Gando (Great Canary Islands) visiting King Guanariga, and continued westward where he saw and named two islands, Capraria and Pluitana. He arrived back in Spain in May 999 CE.
3. Columbus sailed from Palos (Delba), Spain. He was bound for Gomera (Canary Islands) - Gomera is an Arabic word meaning ‘small firebrand’ - there he fell in love with Beatriz Bobadilla, daughter of the first captain General of the island (the family name Bobadilla is derived from the Arab Islamic name Abouabdilla). Nevertheless, the Bobadilla clan was not easy to ignore. Another Bobadilla (Francisco), later as the royal commissioner, put Columbus in chains and transferred him from Santo Domingo back to Spain (November 1500 CE). The Bobadilla family was related to Abbadid dynasty of Seville (1031 -1091 CE).
On October 12, 1492 CE, Columbus landed on a little island in the Bahamas that was called Guanahani by the natives. Renamed San Salvador by Columbus, Guanahani is derived from Mandinka and modified Arabic words. Guana (Ikhwana) means ‘brothers’ and Hani is an Arabic name. Therefore the original name of the island was ‘Hani Brothers.’ [Click here for corrupted names of Arabic origin, such as those starting with Guad-, al-, Medina and others.]
Ferdinand Columbus, the son of Christopher, wrote about the blacks seen by his father in Honduras: “The people who live farther east of Pointe Cavinas, as far as Cape Gracios a Dios, are almost black in color.� At the same time in this very same region, lived a tribe of Muslim natives known as Almamy. In Mandinka and Arabic languages Almamy was the designation of “Al-Imam� or “Al-Imamu,� the person who leads the Prayer, or in some cases, the chief of the community, and/or a member of the Imami Muslim community.
4. A renowned American historian and linguist Leo Weiner of Harvard University, in his book Africa and The Discovery of America (1920) wrote that Columbus was well aware of the Mandinka presence in the New World and that the West African Muslims had spread throughout the Caribbean, Central, South and North American territories, including Canada, where they were trading and intermarrying with the Iroquois and Algonquin Indians.... [/align]
The future belongs to those who prepare for it today. -Malcolm X
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Banned
|
|
Posts: 4,174
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Hathersage, Derbyshire
|
|
|
imported post -
23-07-04, 07:49 PM
Shock news
Dinosaurs in America before pigeons.
Strange news
Buses existed before skateboards.
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager Leader
|
|
Posts: 5,402
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: City of Anti- Authority, ,
|
|
|
imported post -
23-07-04, 07:53 PM
@LOfP
Thankyou,
I agree with you, Islam is not a religion that has been by Arabs only. African muslims were also great explorers and spread the word of Islam.
Bush must be choking on his texas gumbo steak reading this he he he
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager Senior
|
|
Posts: 3,851
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: , , United Kingdom
|
|
|
imported post -
24-07-04, 01:23 PM
Africans were great explorers. There is evidence of the Great African expedition during the time of the pharoahs.
The Piri Re's map (named after the Turkish explore who found it) was actually redrawn in 300 BC. It clearly shows the coast of South America.
Another thing. From what I have read on the subject Africans did not go to America to preach Islam. Or convert others. They were not as presumptious to think that Islam neede to be spreaded to the less unfortunate.
And the small cultural borrowings that the native Americans took were not Islamic. No where was there an Islamic influence from the Africans in South America.
In fact the kings of that period in Africa often resisted Islam. And only paid superficial significance to it. In many cases the king was a Muslim but not the country..and he hid this very fact from his people..
So no, Blacks did not leave Africa to spread Islam in the Americas. Thats traditionally the work of Arabs.
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Village Newbie
|
|
Posts: 27
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
24-07-04, 02:57 PM
mansamusa wrote:
Quote:
Africans were great explorers. There is evidence of the Great African expedition during the time of the pharoahs.
The Piri Re's map (named after the Turkish explore who found it) was actually redrawn in 300 BC. It clearly shows the coast of South America.
Another thing. From what I have read on the subject Africans did not go to America to preach Islam. Or convert others. They were not as presumptious to think that Islam neede to be spreaded to the less unfortunate.
And the small cultural borrowings that the native Americans took were not Islamic. No where was there an Islamic influence from the Africans in South America.
In fact the kings of that period in Africa often resisted Islam. And only paid superficial significance to it. In many cases the king was a Muslim but not the country..and he hid this very fact from his people..
So no, Blacks did not leave Africa to spread Islam in the Americas. Thats traditionally the work of Arabs.
|
Quote:
|
brother through reading ur posts on this village..I have sensed ur anti-Arab sentiments....and even anti-Islam.
|
Quote:
|
Secondly regarding the spread of Islam..it seems u think ppl becameMuslims by force or at the end of a sword....didn't it even occur to uthat many ppl became muslim through the manners, piety and humblness of the Muslim ppl..for eg. Indoneasia the biggest Islamic state.
|
The future belongs to those who prepare for it today. -Malcolm X
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
 |
Village Veteran
|
|
Posts: 12,228
Join Date: May 2004
Location: London, , United Kingdom
|
|
|
imported post -
24-07-04, 03:03 PM
@ Land of Punt
Its not anti Islamic to say early Islam was spread by the sword, its truth. Read your history from AD 800 onwards, thats not a bad thing its just truth. Same way with Christianity and all faiths that actively recruit.
Nowdays people are converted to Isla peacefully I suppose but the empires of Islam were not created by peace and ceratinly not in Africa!!
Original drunkmonkey representing
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Village Newbie
|
|
Posts: 27
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
24-07-04, 03:13 PM
DrunkMonkey wrote:
Quote:
@ Land of Punt
Its not anti Islamic to say early Islam was spread by the sword, its truth. Read your history from AD 800 onwards, thats not a bad thing its just truth. Same way with Christianity and all faiths that actively recruit.
Nowdays people are converted to Isla peacefully I suppose but the empires of Islam were not created by peace and ceratinly not in Africa!!
|
Quote:
|
Brother I understand what ur trying to say.....Al Hamdulilaah..(thanks to Allaah)..I know my history....I ment to say that the early Muslims travelled and traded with other ppl..and through their fair trade and mannerisms ppl converted to Islam...and I made Indonesia as an example of that..as they became Muslim through trade.
|
Quote:
|
Insha Allaah..(GOD willing)..I will post more on this subject so can ppl try to stick to the topic at hand.
|
Aslo regarding what I said of the brother mansamusa being anti-Islamic..if u had read my post when i said..through reading ur posts on this village..i.e..meaning through my past observations of the brother..in different forums.
The future belongs to those who prepare for it today. -Malcolm X
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager Senior
|
|
Posts: 3,851
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: , , United Kingdom
|
|
|
imported post -
25-07-04, 12:18 AM
@Land of Punt
You got it in a nutshell. Yes I am anti Islam. That sentiment is clear in my posts. I am anti / anti african religions. So islam does not hold a special place for me. Its just like the big C.
Regardless how people became muslims does not matter to me. Sword or stealth. Same thing.
But you post some interesting stuff from time to time.
Just dont agree with your views and various issues.
But the point of my previous thread (as you know) was Africans did not leave the Americas to promote Islam as soofresh said in as many words.
If you wish to debate this point please engage.
Otherwise this anti Islamist is checking out.
Later will be greater.
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager
|
|
Posts: 580
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
29-07-04, 01:10 AM
:?BUJNIA!
|
 |
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:23 AM.
|