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26-07-04, 03:26 AM
Isn't time for black people to start throwing back stereotypes in the direction of those who threw the stereotypes at us in the first place. A good example is ALI G and his stereotypes of blacks.
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26-07-04, 08:00 AM
I agree with you, I cannot stand Ali G, I find his jokes offensive and how he thinks he is mimicking black people. As far as I understand he is Jewish (not sure which country he is from), but If a black person made fun of Jews in TV their would be trouble!
I do not care that AliG takes the piss out of other people eg Boris form Karygstan, the point is that we are already being stereotyped without turining it into a norm. I remember white kids started talking all ali g style and that pissed me off.
Black American comedians do not ramp and take the pisssssssss out of white ppl on TV. In england it is constrained to Hackney Empire.
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26-07-04, 08:19 AM
He is a big success in the US apparently... I wonder if he would come and do his black minstrel routine outside the Peckham Pulse? Would he say "I is black" outside Kingsland High road?
He feels safe performing his crap to white audiences that lap it up and black fools who pander to them. I remember how Curtis Walker and Angie Lemar criticised him over and over again only to be ignored as jealous of his success.
What do the blacks in the US make of him? Why accept it? Surely your voice there is more powerful than ours here? Stop him! stop that fool
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26-07-04, 08:31 AM
@ Obal
Do you mean we should make our own Ali G? A black man pretending to be white playing up to the worst stereotypes of them and generally taking the p**s? Interesting idea but do you see it getting much airtime?
He could be called Barry Essex and drive a clapped out ford cortina with sticky his n her name things on the windscreen for "Baz and Shaz" cos you know his girl would be a Sharon. He would talk in the worst cockney ever, eat eels and cockles all day wear stone Island jacket and Burbery hat or Hackett T shirt. Wear reebok classics, carry a SUN newspaper in the back pocket of his tight jeans. He would spend the day down the pub and then indulge in some football hooliganism occasionally and smash stuff up. He would randomly break bus stops for no discernable reason. He would go out on the p**s and get so drunk he comes out of the pub and goes to get a Kebab but throws it up all over the street and his m8s laugh their socks off. Despite the display Shaz still goes home with him, they listen to the car radio he stole earlier on the way home where he shags Shazs mum as well (dear Deidre teaches yu a lot about these people).
I dont think that would see the light of day Obal. The Crouches on the other hand...........
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26-07-04, 12:28 PM
its horrible that someone like ali g is allowed to remain on the air.
if a black comedian were to do the same, it would not be acceptable.
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26-07-04, 12:32 PM
lmao @ drunkmoney.. barry and shaz yah kna .lol yeah that will be jokes and you know they wont be having that. I don't see whats fascinating bout ali-g, his jokes r wet and he playing by stereotypes and the english think his the best comedian to ever happen in this country.
@ soofresh I see what u sayin bout american comedians don't ramp. I was watching some episodes of def-jam comedys and these guys were rippin the ish outta white folks and to them thats standard.even snoop doggs televizzle show he was rippin the piss as well and it still got aired. but in the uk we blacks have to be the butt-kissers. its not acceptable to make jokes about whites. cuz WHY? we think its a Multicuultuuural SOCIEEETY! as the uncle toms and aunty thatchers will say. Notice how everything that suppose to be a black event or show in this country ends upbeen watered down to some mulitcultural fraff. Just like the carnival, black music now its called Urban, The mobo(now more of a mulitcultural ting). the list goes on.
I think alotta englishblack media headz r too shook to make jokes bout white folks cuz thats there career done.
well me personally i thinkuntil we have like a Black channel in this country like BET in america we aint gonna be having a black version of Ali g anytime soon.
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26-07-04, 12:38 PM
@kahlil.
Def Jam Comedy kills it.
Have you noticed the stupid uncle tom Lenny Henry, always takes the piss out of carabbien people, yet he never mentions anything about white people.
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26-07-04, 01:32 PM
@ soo fresh.
yeah man. dem def-jam comedy iz jokes.HAAAAAM-BURGER lmao. I only really seen like 2 series of it like amonth ago and that got me rollin on the floor. Am a lil bit late i kno. but I have to go invest in every single episodevideo, dvd and audio cd of the def-jam comdies. cuz thats a comedy every next black folk needs to have that in there yard.
and for lenry henry, he fell of since the mid 90s. I was tryna tell peeps that. he suckin up to the white audience in the last series. and peeps were arguing sayin nah he still the same. I was like nah! I didnt even laugh in the last series only when he did the celebrity immitations.
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26-07-04, 02:38 PM
Maybe i am completely wrong i mean i don't actually watch too much tv if any at all, but i was always under the impression that Ali G was supposed to be taking the piss out ofwhite people who try to act black confused3
I personally have seen many stand up comedy's where people take the piss out of white people, i think most if not all stand up comedien's joke's are based primarily on some form of stereotype...fat people, white people, black people, different religions, different professions. As long as there is a clear balance i for one wouldn't be offended, i don't beleive in double standards though. Whats good for the goose is good for the Gander so to speak.
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26-07-04, 03:04 PM
@ DM
Bro... I'm not sure how big he is here. Personally I have never seen his act and from what yall are describing, I don't think I want to....so by all means keep him over there, LOL!I do recall himgetting his own show on HBO, which is pay cable but as far as mainstream...I have not heard a lot about him. I will say this, I'm not big on tit for tat jokes about races and culture, ..some comedians can pull it off without being disrespectful and demeaningothers cannot...those who cannot shouldn't attempt it.
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26-07-04, 03:55 PM
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Maybe i am completely wrong i mean i don't actually watch too much tv if any at all, but i was always under the impression that Ali G was supposed to be taking the piss out ofwhite people who try to act black confused3
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I always thought he was taking the piss out of Asians trying to act black strangely enough.
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26-07-04, 05:29 PM
@ Misunderstood
i was always under the impression that Ali G was supposed to be taking the piss out ofwhite people who try to act black confused3
Thats his cover and the excuse he uses when confronted by detractors with his minstrel act ofracism. He may have started out that way but the character changed dramtically as he hit the big time and the joke is on us now. Dont fall for it. Next he'll be saying 'Can't you take a joke?'
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26-07-04, 06:36 PM
he's taking the piss out of asians and whites whothink they areblack. note this is not the same as acting black. there are some white and asain people that can speak patois better than me. they are not acting but reflecting the environment that they grew up in.
anyway, seems only the black middle classes are getting worked up over ali g. most people of all colours in the ghetto seem to get the irony of it all.
if you want to get rid of stereotypes start with MTV base.
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26-07-04, 06:47 PM
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