I was talking to my friend , and she was telling me that one time she saw a woman getting slapped up by her husband/partner.man. she and her friend crosed the road and intervened.

I wa slike good n ya, not sure if I have the balls to do that.



However, I remember reading the Evening Standard and some black girl was saying how she was indecentkly assualted by some youths and that nobody on the trn helped her, although there were plenty of passnegers.

I'm not gonna say I would fly to the rescue but I do believe in that situation that I would say a prayer to myself and then go and intervene. I dont know though, maybe I would punk out



Anyways, the question is How many of you have stopped a crime happening or intervened during acrime( Peoople you havent known)

What was the result



all replies appreciated

I read that story too and she said there were at least 20 of them.

If you did go in to be a hero, then do it but realise that you aint coming out again.

They were harassing her and groping and robbing her but generally she was unharmed, would they be the same with you if you stepped in? Be ready to identify them and remember their faces because they shouldnt get away with treating a woman like that but a strangers honour isnt worth your life.



In general though with less extreme circumstances then yes I would intervene, ie is there a reasonable chance I can make a difference? If someone or a small group is robbing old lady in my face then yes I intervene, There is a reasonable chance I can stop them. With 20 people on an underground train I aint got a chance.

No need to lie

Another point being the cynical person that big cities make you, you would have to decide whether a certain person would back YOU.

I been in situations when people I thought would have my back did not and stood back so I know exactly who would back me and who wont. With this understanding Im less likely to help anyone who falls outside that group. Im still cool with people but dont expect any such favours from me is all

I remember once when i was in bristol, me and 3 of my friends were outside a club, and there was a guy and his girl arguing. anyway there were nuff people around,mostly men. And the guy just gave the girl one punch in her face, the girl nearly collapsed. None of the guys reacted, they just watched, so me and my friends kept our distance, but we started shouting at him to stop. We shouted at the guys to at least go and hold the man back.

The guy turned to us and started swearing at us, but we didn't care we kept on cussin him. Also what makes it worse, was this girl had her friends, and they were just looking. Obviously they knew something we didn't.

When the guy calmed down a bit. me and my friends talked to the guys, that were standing around. They said, listen when it happens once then we would intervene, but when you see the same thing happening everyweek, and then the guy and girl hand in hand the next morning, you don't do nothing anymore.

I was like DAMN.

Anyway - I am with DM, if i see a situation, that i know i would not get hurt in, then i would help. But i cannot put my life in danger for someone i don't know. I would call the police, or try and get help. But i am not a have a go hero by any means.

A few years ago I was in Woolwich, south London and two guys had robbed a jewellers on the main shopping street and were running away (they weren't very bright). A man by the bus stop tripped on of them up and held on to his leg. He tried to shake the guy off but he wasnt letting go, his friend came back and started pummeling the guy but still he held on to that leg and the robbers jogging bottoms were coming off. His friend tried to hit the dude with his shoe and all sorts but he still didnt let go and as the security guard from the jewellers and the police appeared round the corner they got free and ran into the estates, one in his briefs the other missing a shoe but the hero wasnt fazed at all. He had no bruises no worries at all. The police chased them into the estates and Im not sure if they found them or not.

It was funny but it could have been a whole lot different if they were carrying something.

You never know what a man is holding these days:X

I hear tha@ drunk, man aint trying to come lke Shacwharzeneger in Commando taking out an army without getting grazed

Who knows how you react when the heat is on

@All have a go heroism is usually a product of foolishness and supidity. As many have said what you do or do not do is based on many things including experience, confidence and capabilities but mre importantly your assessment or judgement.

For me experience of who is involved in the incident, race, nationality, immediate context and all kinds of stuff comes into it.

Sometimes just best to keep stepping or in this day and age call the police on your mobile. I remember an experiece last year or so involving a Somalian couple and this woman was screaming hysterically in a car. Me and my bredrin were in the car talking and we could see things getting very ugly and blows being thrown.

No disrespect meant but we are two African-Caribbean men and not small in size and my guy a normal Somali from my experience so there was no second thoughts about approaching my man and tell him to calm his shit down; especially on the roadside.

On another occassion I was on the train not tube and two brothers and some white boy were up to no good and moving all around tbe carriage and I was clocking them behind my paper while everybody literally hid with fear under theirs.
They sat several places then moved again, then came and sat right in front of me and started to build a spliff. Well in fact they had already started to build it and kept on moving to what they thought was more discrete position.

I just dropped my paper and just watched them trembling with anger that of all places it is right next to me they came, and let them build it and just as they were lighting up asked them "what the **** they think they are doing" and come right next to me to do it. I was all suited and booted and brief cased up. But again experience and knowing black men like the back of my foot read them in a second who was the leader and all the things I need to know.

Furthermore how I spoke to them took control of the situation and men know men and can read the type of man who is not going to repeat himself and when I took off my glassess for effect and told him give me the spliffs which they did in a second.

I threw them out the window and warn them a if they want to show how big they are go and find some real test and b) don't ever come in front of another black man who is not their age and size. Because if I did was not on my way home from work I would slap them for the cheek alone.

I then gave them a lecture about how ****ing stupid they are to come on mainline regional train to come and show how big and bad they are. When all they are showing man is how foolish they are because you don't become a bad man by doing kiddies stuff on a place full of policemen.

When the train got to Luton you never see three youths leave a train so fast. But the thing was everybody in that carriage 99 percent white were shit scared.

I was on my way to interview people for some research and was on the tube in London alone with a white man and two brothers around twentyish. Again reading my notes and stuff for a good while and lifted my eyes to clock the two brothers were robbing this skinny little white man and knife point. They had moved to sit by both sides of him and I am from road and clock that in a second. One of the guys was sitting facing me but bending forward to cover what I knew was the weapon.

I waited until the train litterally pulled up and shouted to them what the **** do you think you doing. I know how to command my voice and they jumped. Being a ex marital arts and combat/drill instructor before being kicked upstairs. I know the power of voice command. Plus I am very fit looking[so I am told] and not small.

One of them got straight up and walked to the side door and I got up from my seat and walked over but already knew how far or close I would get to them in such a confined space. They did not know that, and as I reached my mark so to speak they both ran out dropping the man's walet inside the train.

But typical and as expected one of the so called braver ones kept and coming closer to the door but not close enough to do anything becaue he was scared and rumbled but calling me you "****ing coconut", "about you helping white man". Well I can guarentee you if I was a coconut they would not be running anywhere.

But its all about judgement and knowing when to to walk and when and if to act and what form that action can take. On another day that would simply entail me pretending to be reading my notes but simply writing down their descriptions or whatever to give to the police or victim to jail their black arses....

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Only 3 people replying? There must be some superheroes inthe forum

Because of how things are nowadays i can understand why anyone would think twice, the only thing i feel i would have to stop no matter the odds is rape.

I have seen couples fighting and as mentioned the next day they are back together and laughing happily with their black eyes!! So what is the point?, it has even been known for the woman to turn on the Good Samaritan who is trying to save her, so you have to make sure it is worth it. The woman would have to be screaming out for help and if the man is a screw short i would rather help by calling the police, as i aint paid for all of that, they are.

Once in carnival we saw this mixed race guy (aged 22 or so) drapsing up this African lady (aged 45+) just because she was sitting on the wall to his front garden having something to eat. The way he was carrying on, dragging her to the ground and making her food fall on the floor, he started slapping her up and his white mother even joined in and was saying "yeah, get off our wall!!". I mean how can you live in carnival and expect people not to sit on your wall???? She wasnt doing any harm.

Me and my friend saw this and something infuriated me because she was my mums age and she was not easy because she was fighting back, but i was vex that all the black men standing around who should have just fixed that mixed race boy's business were just standing and looking, and in the end i could take it no more and me and my friend got involved and physically dragged him off. (That is why i rate the old skool youth because that would have NEVER happened)

He then turned to us, but we showed him women or no women he will get rush out here today!!!! (and his mum if she wanted to come). I just saw it as a damn disrespect, who the hell do you think you are putting your hand on a BLACK woman that age in front of the whole of Ladbroke Grove??? with your white upbringing self. When you see the mum joining in and not even reprimanding her son for hitting the woman, you can tell what type of home he is coming from, and i weren't having it.

I prayed that night the woman has 9 fierce sons who will go back to his house and serve justice, because if that was my mum that would have been war.

So generally, no i dont get involved, but certain times you dont even weigh up the odds against you and you just react.(not always the best thing, but just how it can go)

PEace~

@Sister Ayallah. Well done my sister. It's about taking responsibilty but does not mean having to act like a fool, but knowing how to use your INTELLIGENCE. Sometimes all you do is stand there and make up a world of noise or draw it to somebody eg male's attention.

Yep many will walk away but believe me others won't. Men generally programmed to respond to a woman in distress.

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This would be the world i want too FB, but that was why i was vex, because there was loads of young men there just watching!!!! We made noise and waited for the response from them....but nothing came. I was in shock, and it just proves how many times have changed. Even when i was a teenager man would have rushed him. No hesitation.

Peace~

Wah FB u is a man who can assume authority man!

Just the other day my sister was on the train at night in her area of SE London and there was a tribe of youths (mostly black) on the prowl. One of them was pacing up and down the train looking for targets. Unfortunately one foreign man was prey to their attack, they beat him up and robbed him. Now the train wasn't empty but had quite a few passengers- nowbody did anything, people didnt even flinch (yes they did see). It was as if this was a regular occurance. Now I'm not gonnasay that I'm Cat woman I probably would have done the same - looked the other way. Tis a shame thats all.confused3

Now why have times changed this muchthat these down right nasty, scum- of- the earth, vile, impertinent creatures are allowed to hold us to ransom?