I have decided that I will not pay £85 for Chairman Blunketts ID cards when they are introduced.
I do not want them and I dont think they will help at all.
Sadly most of the people I have spoken with say that they 'will probably just get one as it will only cause trouble' if they dont.




"Communism shouldn't be something on a book that you quote, but a feeling and struggle"

Are you sure that it will cost £85 when it is introduced. I thought that it would cost about £40.

What do you think about the following 'justifications' for introducing the National ID cards.

To stem the flow of illegal immigrants.
To fight crime.
To prevent benefit fraud.
To bring the UK in line with Europe.

Also, it may be difficult to decide that you will not purchase one because you will need it to, for example, renew your passport or driving licence. What judicial 'punishment' do you think will be the consequence of not obtaining one?

if u dont get one u will get fined something like £2000 i believe

i dontpaln to get one. i will apply for a grant from the home office to pay for oneif it is enforced.

as for this ish on immigration i dont agree. as how on earth are they going to locate these illegals when they dont know where they are.

Whatever you view of id cards, just take a moment and reflect on the following:

Do you remember when ‘loyalty bonus cards’ were first introduced by the likes of the big supermarkets? They were promoted from the perspective of gaining customers loyalty by giving customer the chance to build up points which can later be translated into some monetary benefit (e.g. cash discount or ‘free’ gifts). Any way, the premise was that the customer got something for shopping with a particular store i.e. some sort of return for his/her loyalty to the store. The thing was, no mention was made of the way the ‘information’ collected about the customer’s shopping habits (as recorded by the card each time it was presented) and how this information was going to be used to ‘target’ certain products/promotions etc. at customers. Ok, all pretty harmless you may think, but the thing was that in ‘selling’ the idea to people no mention was made of the ‘hidden’ information gathering or usage thereof. Later on, once the cards were fully entrenched of course, it became common knowledge just what uses this ‘customer benefit’ was being put to. Incidentally if anyone takes time to study the real ‘benefit’ they get from such cards they will see that it is quite minimal (on average £10,000 of spending will get you £100 of benefit). To the retailer though, the benefit is far, far greater as the information is worth a darn site more than 0.01p to the £ to them.

Well id cards are being sold on the premise of ‘cutting down illegal immigration’, ‘cutting down benefit fraud’; ‘cutting down crime’ etc. (all without no one going into the mechanics of exactly how this will be achieved…..and remember the US have had id cards for goodness knows how long, and their statistics for those sort of things speak for themselves.

And my point is? How much down the road after id cards are introduced will we be told of all the previously hidden ‘uses’ they are put to by the authorities?

Respect

@ladyday

LOL

true

somehow I can't imagine illegal immigrants applying for an ID card and get caught out

I swear this government is stupid

beside they say that is the reason for ID cards

they just want to have big brother state

apparently if you get fined and still not apply for ID card you will go to jail

Me, well my dad said to get one and "stop causing trouble"

hmph!

I am not happy about the ID card, and the fact that we will have to pay £85 for the privelige is a cheek, just another form of taxiation

Those who live and work in London will know that the Oyster Card isn't just a card that permits you to travel from A-B. This card is also used to 'monitor' your whereabouts. You only need check the history of your card by swiping on the scanning machines- all the information is there to see - where you went on Monday, Tuesday, which bus/tube/train you used.

Mobile phones also send out signals which are logged on a database, hence all the furore about pay-as-u-go phones cos they are harder to trace.

I was reading the other day that about a tiny chip that can be inserted under the skin which can hold personal medical information... now that's scary!

i don't like the idea of having an id card at all. to me is got nothing to with cutting down crimes and whatever else they i've said, is all about knowing your business.

More on ID card here:

http://www.spy.org.uk/spyblog/archiv...4/11/post.html