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14-12-04, 04:47 PM
For the sake of the debate, I'm going to devide the human race into 2 parts: The innovative and the conformist.
The innovative possess what is consdiered either intelligence or talent for something. They are people who tend to think original thoughts
The conformist tend to trust what everyone around them says, and have unoriginal thoughts.
Philosophy is a game for the innovative. It requires a constant reevaluation of your own thoughts and belief systems, which conformists cannot achieve.
Conformists, instead of being philosophers, are dogmatists. They read or hear the philosophies of others, and pick one based on their conformist sensibilities. Then they repeat it parrot fashion in any debate.
It's easy to just be annoyed at this situation, but it's the nature of humanity and we have to accept it. The only way to accept it is to deliberately engineer a dogma which the people will accept, and having accepted it behave in a way that is positive for the human race as a whole.
I'm not talking about a political philosophy here, I'm talking about a philosophy of life. Something which conformists can, having assimilated, use to guide their everyday descisions with a wisdom they wouldn't otherwise have.
Any thoughts on the nature of such a dogma?
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27-12-04, 12:18 AM
The general assumption is that dogma impedes progress negative or positive progress for that matter. i am of the opinion that dogma can be quite a catalysts to set the wheels of change in motion.
Here is a demonstration.
After the world war ii a certain dogma arose which stated that women and men are equal and should be given equal rights. this dogma exists to this present day and look how it has acted as a catalyst for the changes which have witnessed and are still witnessing today. Some of this has been positive progress and some of it very negative.
It started with women rights to vote, then came equal pay, abortion rights, divorce rights, 50 - 50 division of the husbanda's earnings, break down of families, promiscuity amongst women, broken families, birth control pills, link between cancer and birth control pills, female priests, gay rights, gay marriage, and alot more.
Infact this dogma is the driving force behind many policies behind this labour govt and many other so called liberal countries around the world.
When the world finally wakes up and see the nonsense of this dogma they will probably replace it with another one to act as a driving force.
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For the sake of the debate, I'm going to devide the human race into 2 parts: The innovative and the conformist.
The innovative possess what is consdiered either intelligence or talent for something. They are people who tend to think original thoughts
The conformist tend to trust what everyone around them says, and have unoriginal thoughts.
Philosophy is a game for the innovative. It requires a constant reevaluation of your own thoughts and belief systems, which conformists cannot achieve.
Conformists, instead of being philosophers, are dogmatists. They read or hear the philosophies of others, and pick one based on their conformist sensibilities. Then they repeat it parrot fashion in any debate.
It's easy to just be annoyed at this situation, but it's the nature of humanity and we have to accept it. The only way to accept it is to deliberately engineer a dogma which the people will accept, and having accepted it behave in a way that is positive for the human race as a whole.
I'm not talking about a political philosophy here, I'm talking about a philosophy of life. Something which conformists can, having assimilated, use to guide their everyday descisions with a wisdom they wouldn't otherwise have.
Any thoughts on the nature of such a dogma?
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27-12-04, 01:47 AM
The general assumption is that dogma impedes progress negative or positive progress for that matter. i am of the opinion that dogma can be quite a catalysts to set the wheels of change in motion.
Here is a demonstration.
After the world war ii a certain dogma arose which stated that women and men are equal and should be given equal rights. this dogma exists to this present day and look how it has acted as a catalyst for the changes which have witnessed and are still witnessing today. Some of this has been positive progress and some of it very negative.
It started with women rights to vote, then came equal pay, abortion rights, divorce rights, 50 - 50 division of the husbanda's earnings, break down of families, promiscuity amongst women, broken families, birth control pills, link between cancer and birth control pills, female priests, gay rights, gay marriage, and alot more.
Infact this dogma is the driving force behind many policies behind this labour govt and many other so called liberal countries around the world.
When the world finally wakes up and see the nonsense of this dogma they will probably replace it with another one to act as a driving force.
I think you will find the above a less to do with gender equal rights and more to do with the dictates of the economy.
Actually after (the so-called) world War 2, once the men had returned from war and the women who had previously done their jobswere no longer needed, attitudes towards womens 'place in society' changed dramatically.
From advertising to child psychology was used to persuade women that their place was in the home looking after the children, lest they wished their children to grow up 'wanting' in some way or form.
Of course in order to appease, particularly those women who had developed a new sense of worth from their time within traditionally male employment(something they were not happy to give up) A serious of sweetners were perscribed...improved contraception(although this didn't really come into its own untill the economy required more workers, or is that cheaper workers) Divorce rights(protection from vindictive husbands) And more importantly products to make her life easier-washing machines or for the working class laundrettes; vacum cleaners (Ewbanks for the working class). Some even got new homes out in the newly developed suburbs.
The equal paylegislation was a long time coming and many are still waiting to taste that one.
But I will giveto you on the right to vote issue, women should never have been given that right...I meanthat is far to important for us to handle!
Infact you are quite right. It was the begining of the end of society as you knewit (or is that imagined it?)
Frantz Fanon
We are nothing on earth if we are not, first of all, slaves of the cause of the people, the cause of justice, the cause of liberty.
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