i'm just wondering i get pissed off by people that say socialism is bad because it is anti religous. i'm just wondering wether religion would possible in a socialist society. i actually think that in the long run religion (not neccesarily christianity) could thrive under a sociallist society. because there is a broader seperation of church and state no one relgion would gain government support over anohter thus would encourage other religions to thrive. because there isn't any specific religion being taught in schools then children would be encouraged to follow any religion they want.
what do you think?

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Bya Christian and Socialist

Religion can exist under Socialism...but not under Marxist Communism.

And what is Marxist Communism when its around (if it ever as been)?

That is why would it not survive under Marxist Communism and yet would survive under socialism?

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Nope, well at leastcan't existin perfect harmony, case in point look at the Netherlands a very socialist country with emphasis on individual rights. The country has recently seen an influx of Muslim immigrants who do not want to fully adhere to present laws because it conflicts with their faith. Bottom line is religion and socialism are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Tahliba:


And what is Marxist Communism when its around (if it ever as been)?
That is why would it not survive under Marxist Communism and yet would survive under socialism?





Well......
Simply, Marxist Communism is the form of Communism advocated by it's founder Karl Marx.


And why wouldn't religion survive under this type of Communism?

Let me see if I can find some proof in my old Communist Manifesto booklet.



Ah....

The Communist Manifesto Pt2 plainly states:

blkfingerwag "There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are common to all states of society. But communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion , and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience."

I agree, religion and communism and/or socialism, can exist simultaneously, but as long as both aren't political vehicles (State and religion should be kept separate; this makes freedom of worship easier too). They aren't inherently capitalistic, governments, like most people, manipulate religion to suit their own needs. Marx knew that religion itself wasn't the problem, it was the capitalists itself who were running it that were the problem. And trying to instill socialism/communism in a very religious world, would be like banging your head of a brick wall. There has to be a comprimise somewhere if anything is going ot be acheived.

For me Christianity and capitalism go hand in hand... therefore Christianity and socialism cannot co-exist in perfect harmony anyway...

Religion is one form of oppression; it exploits those who live in want to be submissive, and patient while here on earth...

Ohhh if I here one more religious freak tell me to be patient, accept my circumstances, serve the lord and live in the hope of a heavenly reward... I swear the next freak will get it...

Hmmm anyway religion also encourages to work your butt off and give, give, give… to the priest, the deacon, the building (church), government... just give... religion is nothing but a cheap way of justifying their thieving, exploiting ways... no shame when they consciously exploit people's fear of the unknown to benefit for themselves.

Realreason why religion and socialism cannot co-exist in perfect harmony is while socialism encourages more immediate rewards, religionon the other hand tell you to wait for death to enjoy all that is promised in heaven.

**Shudders**

Recommended reading

The Protestant Ethic And The Spirit of Capitalism, Max Weber(not a socialist by the way) 19004 and still in print.

Religion and the Rise of Capitalism. R.H. Tawney 1922 (sorry I have an original so no idea who publishes itnow)

It seems the problem is understanding of the concept 'socialism'

So can someone explain to moi, a socialist, why socialism and religion cannot 'co-exist'?

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