Who here believes in fate or destiny? Or 'an eternal plan' for that matter?

Personally, I like to think that I am in control of my own life

Too bad, you ain't.

What do I eat for breakfast ... I control this, is it eggs? Cereal? A muffin perhaps ... or just have four cups of coffee and not get hungry till 5 PM?

Will I die? Yep, its my fate to die, nothing I can do to prevent it. I can think, I can do, I can reason with as many people or trees as I please ... in the end, its my destiny to die.

I think some people are destined to be great or terrible people while most of us dont matter enough to have such a fate.

Stalin was destined to be the leader he was. Hitler the leader he was. Napolean, Ghenghis Kahn, Tutankhamun,Chaka Zulu,Mansa Musa,Othman Dan Fodio,Sundiata Keita and down the list ... they were all destined to be who they were. Hell, the field hand who died one thousand years ago from some disease before he married was destined to do so ... he had no real choice in the matter ...

One day this planet that we humans think is so important will cease to exist. It is the planets destiny. This entire solar system and galaxy that we know so little about will one day be gone ... that is its fate.

So yes, I believe that fate and destiny are just as much a part of us as our own ability to control the little things. Generally speaking what we can control is of little importance and in the end will matter not at all.

But ... I had two eggs, some sausage and a hashbrown with white toast and grape jelly for breakfast with a large cup of coffee. I am happy with my choice and I am content with my fate.

I personally believe that the future is fluid and not fixed... situations and personal choice determine what path you life takes...

Otherwise why do we bother making decisions when inevitably the final outcome is under our control...

I think LIFE is like a CD ROM...all outcomes is known....but everyone has choice in their path to reach an outcome....don't believe in coincidences....i believe we make decisions that determine our fate...but couldn't say we are in total control...as nothing is independent...

@Mythoughts...

Are you referring to the ultimate outcome for all which is physical death...

or do you mean that with all course of action there is a predictable outcome... ?

@free

the latter...predictable outcome not necessarily...just known....but not forseeable...people cannot predict the future....always...

Like in a computer game...all the outcomes are known on the game..but u can't see or predict if u make a certain move u'll end up here or there...u can anticipate....then when u try again u learn from experience and have an idea where u may land and if this choice will lead to where u want to be...or a desired outcome...

Choice...yes...but because dependent on other factors...u are not in total control of your destiny or fate...think of how nature works...we can predict the weather...but cannot control it..yet...u can make a choice to take an umbrella out with u...but what stops u getting hit by lightning...

@Mythoughts... I understand...

But then I guess that all depends which concept you go along with... if it is a belief in a soul of the world where all ideas/ possibilities/ and consequences... exist before the action itself then it that supposition is correct...

But if we were to fall on the side of chaos theory... it dependent on when/where an action starts to divine the possible outcome... that is not to say that there are precisely scripted consequences for every situation...
as minor fluctuations will allow for varying conclusions...
(The infamous Butterfly Effect)

Or the third way... I am struggling to remember the exact study... it was linked to Quantum physics and the idea of potentiality...this was the idea in which you primary thought or motivation will influence the eventual outcome of a situation...(if you want to think of the axiom: that which I fear I create)...

Probably an almalgamation of all three... but I am still undecided...

Man already knows that he can't control the weather, or when he is going to die, that is in the hands of God/fate, therefore he seeks to being control of his own personal environment, that part which he can control.
However from the moment of birth, you are born into pre-set circumstances,which was beyond your control. Through the course of your life you make choices/decisions, which give you a SENSE of being in control. This to me is dependent on how sucessful you are and how those choices have enhanced your lifestyle. Sucess which is measured by the individual/societal value system. Your level of control is determined by society which sets regulations, rules and limitations. To me fate/destiny and control are very linked together rather than something separate. Is there a higher plan ? yes i like to believe that there is, particular when I see how destructive the man made world can be and that it is through the pain and suffuring of others that SOME can only start to humble themselves or empathise confused3

Peacemaker wrote:






PissMaker:

Come on now.....stop dat!

Just because you can't control yourself...or those disturbing thoughts thumping around in your coconut....doesn't mean everyone is suffering!



blkdrunk....when Iiiirish eyes are smiling!!!

PissMaker wrote:
Now you're stalking me.

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blkfingerwag Correction....

When doing it to humans...it's called "stalking".

When doing it to you...it's called an "exorcism".