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NOT ME, I'M A LIFE AND WELL. I DON’T KNOW IF THIS
TOPIC HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HERE BEFORE, IF IT WAS SORRY. ABORTION RIGHTS HAVE BECAME HEADLINES HERE IN THE STATES SINCE BUSH WAS RE-ELECTED. MOST BLACKFEMALES THAT I KNOW FAVOR THE KILLING OF FETUS BY SMALL MARGIN. I WANT TO DO LITTLE ROLL-CALL FOR BOTH GENDERS, SO PLEASE VOTE EITHER RIGHT (AGREED WITH ABORTION) OR WRONG (AGAINST ABORTION).


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[size=3]Personally, I am in favour of taking the steps to avoid an UNWANTED CHILD in the first place!

However, if we want to take the debate deeper it would be also interesting to hear people's view on the wider issue of population control and Eugenics,and the role of abortion in these........especially in relation to the emphasis of 'promoting' and 'encouraging' Birth Control in the so-called Third World, undertaken by the likes of the World Health Organisation.

Now that should make for a fairly light hearted debate eh?


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Personally, I am in favour of taking the steps to avoid an UNWANTED CHILD in the first place!

one vote against?

However, if we want to take the debate deeper it would be also interesting to hear people's view on the wider issue of population control and Eugenics,and the role of abortion in these........especially in relation to the emphasis of 'promoting' and 'encouraging'
Birth Control in the so-called Third World, undertaken by the likes of the World Health Organisation.

Now that should make for a fairly light hearted debate eh?


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SO, YOU ARE AGAINST? CAN AN ABORTION ALSO BE CONSIDERED AS BIRTH CONTROL?




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SO, YOU ARE AGAINST? CAN AN ABORTION ALSO BE CONSIDERED AS BIRTH CONTROL?



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My comments made no reference as to whether I was For or Against abortion, but that I was FOR 'taking steps to avoid a situation where abortion becomes a consideration.'
Quite frankly posing the question in a way that only allows a For or Against is too simplistic for such a complex issue. For example, I may be Against the notion of taking the life of an unborn fetus (i.e aborting it), but may be For a woman's right to choose what she allows to be done to HER body (i.e. to have an abortion).
You may see this issue as black and white (simply For or Against), but I see it as much more complex than that. Hence why you will not ....or HAVE NOT.....get a straightforward For or Against from me.

You ask if abortion can be considered birth control? Well given that the purpose of Birth Control at its most basic is to regulate, control or reduce the number of births and given that abortion effectively prevents a birth..........I would say yes, it can be considered a form of birth control.

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LOL I'll stick to the question.

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I am with backatya on this issue, I am all for preventing unwanted pregnancy in the first place, but if it did happen then I can also understand the extreme situations these women face that can result in one seeing abortion as the only option.

Personally, I would prefer people have abortion than children they cannot afford to look after.

Bele a couple of questions for you.

A fetus is a minority part of the carrying mother as it is dependant on the mother to survive… which makes the fetus subordinate to the pregnant woman, am I right?… If I am right then doesn’t that mean that the mothers right of choice to decide whatever she wants to do with her body precede the rights of the fetus?

So. If you were to criminalise abortion, doesn’t that mean you are in fact denying a pregnant woman her rights of sovereignty over her own body?


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@Backatya

I see your committment to the cause of fence sittingremains intact -

LOL!

So no New Years resolution to have an -

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in 2005 eh?

Happy New Year bro

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Right Abortion ie

the hideous practice of murdering an unborn child while it is still growing in the womb is not a damn -

Right

I couldn't give a shit about womens so called "rights" in this context. Anyone who defines such a brutal act as a right is a psychotic maniac.

Abortion is anecessary evil - not a right.

What kind of fool would define murder as right?

People have the right not get pregnant they should excercise that right instead if they do not wish to raise a child.

Most abortions are carried out because the child would incovenience the mother.

That is fact.

Well if we are justifying murder on that basis then lets widen the principle, let's kill the elderly, the disabled, the non-productive.

Yeh let's killbabymothers who produce criminals drug dealers and other social miscreants.

Abortion is not a f**king right, it is a necessary evil.


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Abissinia wrote :".....I can also understand the extreme situations these women face that can result in one seeing abortion as the only option.blkwonder



And these "extreme situations" would be what?

- getting pregnant for the neighbour's few doors down husband?

- getting pregnant for partner's sexy, IRRESISTIBLE friend?

- young teen pregnant -- unknown father --- because of a lack of discipline in the first place?

- getting pregnant because you decided to "tempt fate" and go without protection?

Tell me exactly what are these "extreme situations"

Ok maybe an "extreme situation" might be some type of medical emergency, but let's be honest, what percentage of abortions are performed for medical reasons? I'm sure these are not in the majority!

It's all well and good to advocate the woman's right to choose, but isn't the availability of choices such as these contributing to the erosion of the society's moral fabric?

What we need, even more than CHOICE, isRESPECT. Especially respect for our selves and our own bodies.

What we need to ABORT are the poor CHOICES we make just because....

What we need is EXTREME control....












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Some people shouldn't exist so I'm all for abortion. Even after the kid is born and way into adulthood.
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I am for abortion

end off

it is no ones decision but the woman's

if people disagree with the woman's decision then they they can step in and raise the child.

Beside

the law is not going to change and hence their is f all for the pro-life campaigners can do about it.


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Right Abortion ie

the hideous practice of murdering an unborn child while it is still growing in the womb is not a damn -

Right

I couldn't give a shit about womens so called "rights" in this context. Anyone who defines such a brutal act as a right is a psychotic maniac.

Abortion is anecessary evil - not a right.

What kind of fool would define murder as right?

People have the right not get pregnant they should excercise that right instead if they do not wish to raise a child.

Most abortions are carried out because the child would incovenience the mother.

That is fact.

Well if we are justifying murder on that basis then lets widen the principle, let's kill the elderly, the disabled, the non-productive.

Yeh let's killbabymothers who produce criminals drug dealers and other social miscreants.

Abortion is not a f**king right, it is a necessary evil.



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Abissinia wrote :".....I can also understand the extreme situations these women face that can result in one seeing abortion as the only option.blkwonder



And these "extreme situations" would be what?

- getting pregnant for the neighbour's few doors down husband?

- getting pregnant for partner's sexy, IRRESISTIBLE friend?

- young teen pregnant -- unknown father --- because of a lack of discipline in the first place?

- getting pregnant because you decided to "tempt fate" and go without protection?

Tell me exactly what are these "extreme situations"

Ok maybe an "extreme situation" might be some type of medical emergency, but let's be honest, what percentage of abortions are performed for medical reasons? I'm sure these are not in the majority!

It's all well and good to advocate the woman's right to choose, but isn't the availability of choices such as these contributing to the erosion of the society's moral fabric?

What we need, even more than CHOICE, isRESPECT. Especially respect for our selves and our own bodies.

What we need to ABORT are the poor CHOICES we make just because....

What we need is EXTREME control....
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Well said

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Tootruethey alwaysrely on the most extremeexamples ofhow it can wrong to justify the nonsense they advocate.

Andmy response as always is that policy shouldbe basedaroundthat which affects the majority not a miniscule minority.

Most people seeking abortions were not raped, are not carrying disabled children, are not in violent relationships or facing any other similarly extreme circumstances.

Abortions are conducted largely because a child would interfere with the mothers life style.

Now me- I accept abortion purelyon utilitarian (for the greater good) grounds only, otherwise the reckless morons would over populate the world with their progeny.

I reject totally the notionof womans right to choose -it is a fallacy.Ifthe population fell to too low levels theAbortion Act 1967 which isaMAN made law, via a bill that was proposed bya MALE politician (David Steel, I think),would be repealed and abortion would bedeclaredillegalbyMEN,who not only run this country butalsothe whole Mother Earth.

LOL!

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