Dishonorable Soldier.

Parris · (#1 (**permalink**))

The American solider get 10 year for his role in the Abu Abu Ghraib scandal. I get a call from one of my fellow warriors, a brutha Iâ€™ve known for well over 10 years.

â€œMan I feel sorry for himâ€? he saysâ€¦â€¦meâ€¦â€¦.I do not. Though you may hear people who have never spent a day in an American uniform say otherwise, no solider, no warrior is required to follow an order that is unlawful.I've heard people say "If Bush told you to kill your mother, you'd have to shut up and follow orders"....to this I laugh. You will find the people that know the most about the military are the onest that have never served.

In fact, it is the duty of each solider to refuse an order that he deems unlawful or immoral.

To do anything else puts America on the same level as our enemy. Just to give you some background here are resports from prisioner accounts from Aubu Ghraib prison.

"Saddam Hussein never cut corners when it came to punishment. Abu Ghraib once held tens of thousands of human souls -- criminals, political enemies, and those who just happened to get in the way. A 12-year-old Iranian boy visiting his grandmother near Basra in 1985 was swept up in an Iraqi invasion. He was still here 15 years later."

"I saw three guards beat a man to death with sticks and cables," one prisoner remembered. "When they got tired, the guards would switch with other guards. I could only watch for a minute without getting caught, but I heard the screams, and it went on for an hour."

"Our hands were tied .... First the left hand and then the foot. Then a black hood on my head, then they applied electricity."

Warriors fight wars, but true warriors fight with honor. And Granger did not fight with honor, in fact he spit on the very uniform that other have sworn to protect and died wearing. Dead is not the worst thing for a warrior, the worst thing is dishonor.

On at least two occasions Iâ€™ve been ordered to execute instruction that were just flat out wrongâ€¦..I did not follow those orders. Though it take courage, courage that a true warrior is supposed to posses. Granger lacked courage.

So no I do not feel sorry for him, he has no honor and God was watching.

PaRris

One Zero Seven · (#2 (**permalink**))

Just Curious, Parris...

Do you believe God is with America?

RM

jett Black · (#3 (**permalink**))

His sentence has left me with a queasy feeling,cant help thinking that there should be a more comprehensive screening insofar as mental health and stability before anyone is allowed in the military.confused3

.....again just my two-penneth(2 cents)

Parris · (#4 (**permalink**))

One Zero Seven wrote:

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Just Curious, Parris...

Do you believe God is with America?

RM

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My personal belief is that the Eternal one does not hold particular or specific favor with "groups" of people. Because in these groups there are those who are (for the sake of this post) dishonorable their intentions.

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I believe that the Eternal One is with individuals, and being "with" is determined by onesactions andwhat is in the heart of the individual.

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Is God with America? *shrugz* I don't know, but I know by Buddha's teaching God,the Eternal One is with me.

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PaRrIs

Parris · (#5 (**permalink**))

jett black wrote:

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His sentence has left me with a queasy feeling,cant help thinking that there should be a more comprehensive screening insofar as mental health and stability before anyone is allowed in the military.confused3

.....again just my two-penneth(2 cents)

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For what I do for the military, there was a very comprehensive screening process.For all special ops/special forces jobs the screening process goes well beyong can you do a few hundred pushups. Butone must keep in mind that military members comefrom society as a whole...

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....doctors, teachers, police officers, public servants allcome from the public. You can't screen a man/woman's "honor" you can't test for "integrity". But life is about choices, and I believe, about cause and effect.

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"......The law of karma, saysthis: `for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.'

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A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by craving, resistance or delusions; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things. (Events are not skillful in themselves, but are so called only in virtue of the mental events that occur with them.)

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Therefore, the law of Karma teaches that responsibility for unskillful actions is born by the person who commits them.

PaRrIs

Backatya · (#6 (**permalink**))

[size=3]This whole army thing is confusing. No wonder so many of these guys come back from tour really messed up.....Actually they were probably messed up to start with but that's another story.

This guy claims he was ordered by his superiors to do all that inhumane stuff. If that is true he gets 10 years for following orders.
Now the guys who decide they don't want to go over to Iraq to be part of this illegal 'war' and all that murdering and butchery are also at risk of getting heavy sentences for NOT following orders.

It's a strange old live in the army!
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Parris · (#7 (**permalink**))

Backatya wrote:

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This whole army thing is confusing. No wonder so many of these guys come back from tour really messed up.....Actually they were probably messed up to start with but that's another story.

This guy claims he was ordered by his superiors to do all that inhumane stuff. If that is true he gets 10 years for following orders.
Now the guys who decide they don't want to go over to Iraq to be part of this illegal 'war' and all that murdering and butchery are also at risk of getting heavy sentences for NOT following orders.

It's a strange old live in the army!
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Agreed, most people (usually those that have never been in the military) will tell you that the military makes you crazy....in reality if you had a weak mind before you went in, you will have a weak mind while you are in and you will have a weak mind when you get you out.

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This guy can't say "I followed orders that is why I violated the law" because following an order that goes against the law is not an order, that that one can give order other to violate the law"

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When the United States, by way of the US Congress. authorizes war that makes that war "legal" in the eyes of the American system of government and the constitution.

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If one is part of that military, and Congress authorizes military action......not to go is illegal, and therfeore a warrior can not say "I'm not going becasue its an illegal war". The order to go to war is a valid one, and not following it is "not following an orders"

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One can not say "I was following orders so I violated the law"

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While there are those who believe the war to be illegal via International Law, in America, the action was very much legal.

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Peace

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PaRrIs

obal85 · (#8 (**permalink**))

....in reality if you had a weak mind before you went in, you will have a weak mind while you are in and you will have a weak mind when you get you out.

This whiteman's poodle is putting on a brave front. The clock is ticking away.