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Well im the master of getting other people to do things for me,it doesnt make me cleverer it just makes me manipulative I guess.

The way I see it is that I have my areas of expertise and I focus on those,if others have strengths in areas that I dont,I will ask,delegate,moan,whine,beg,cajole to get that person to do said thing for me.

Im happy to defer to others,the thing is that I dont pretend that I can do this thing better than them,I let them know that im asking them because they are better at it than I.

Conversley I would hope that people would ask me for help in areas in which they are weak.

For me the person who knows how to do the job.....as this can be the progression to being the person who gets the person who knows the job to do the job.

I'd rather have the knowledge.

PaRrIs

*Rubs Chin*



Hmmm...

Well, the Fox always gets one over.

Knowing how to do the job... Is fundamentaly clever in theory as you get to progress and learn, but 'any one' can learn.

BUT, Getting someone else to do it takes skill along the art of manipulation something that people have to possess in the first place it cannot be learned developed acquired maybe some are born with it, putting it into effect is the clever part.

A 'good'SuccessFull boss does the least work but gets the most done.



SPARK

As someone who started off knowing how to do the job (andcurrently making other peopledothe job), knowledge is more important. One of my pet hates is people achieving success by WHO they know rather than WHAT they know.

A good manager is only as good as the team that supports him/her.

@ BP. That was a rather sexist response, considering BlackMatta didn't mention gender. And it works both ways. What about men who act like ''dem han' join church'' as soon as they meet a woman. They act like they can't iron, sew or cook just to get the woman to do it. But who did it when they were single?! PS i would always rather have the knowledge. Call me a control freak, but i would prefer to do something for myself than have someon else mess it up. My sis on the other hand is the master at playing the incompetant fool, to the point where now, she really can't do anything because she is so used to others (usually me:P) doing it for her. And she is five years older!! But since i moved out she has had to find likkle independence...

One of my Bosses over the years left school at 15 with no qualifications but was a Genius at getting others to do the work as he rose thru' the ranks which he did most successfully.One of his lil ruses would be to see which Senior Managers weregetting a juicy fat redundancy in return for the recipients years of service but future loss of earnings as after receiving their sizeable cheque on say Friday they would be out of work after maybe20/25/30 years on the following Monday......He would offer them a job with him so the Guy had the best of both worlds(generous redundancy package and no loss of future earnings!)......in return it was understood that they would collectively do HIS work beside his own(while he worked on setting up his own company in "our" time!)......btw..He succeeded on setting up an enterprising Estate Agency/Insurance Broking Business after his juicy Redundancy......Surround Yourself With Talent is one of the things he taught me.

@Blackmatta

the person that can do the job is clever............but add in a charismatic personality then you can make people do the job without having to do or say anything............just your intimidating presence..........naturally like me.

Mmmh!

No drama then.

OK

Can't really see the point in this question -

Its too cumbersome to make such a comparison.

No different to asking who is cleverer a plumber or an electrician?

You're not comparing like with like and both are valuable skills.

People whose strength lies in being able to grasp the overall picture and organise or co-ordinate people with a range of skills are no less talented/clever than those who with the specific skills needed to achieve an objective.

One is a people focused skill and the other is technically focused.

It's a symbiotic relationship both are necessary. Although granted, I'd be wary of deferring to some one who was completely technically illiterate.

LOL!

If no one is around, then your left by your caveman self.

Blackmatta wrote:

The person who knows how to do the job OR the person who doesn't know how to do the job but knows how to make other peopledo it...

Saywhy, even ifyou reckon the answer is obvious.


The way you've put it then its definately the person who can do the job.

However

If the person who knows how to make others do it/ can sychronise all the other things that need to happen to do the job/ and knows the process and quality of work required..

Even if theycannot lift a straw themselves..

Then the clever hat goes to organiser for me.

The problem is unless the organiser knows what is required then they are always dependent on the doers knowledge. If not sufficient then the job can fall short.

That can be a dangerous thing.

Jeez I feel dizzy..

I would say the more you move up in the corporate world...the more you need to be able to make others do the job rather having the absolute knowledge yourself...which is why you hear talk from managers like"I don't care how just tell me you can do it"

So is it more clever to make more money by making others do the work...by delegating responsibility to get the job done...or even motivating and manipulating people to work for you...or is it more clever by having the absolute knowledge yourself...BUTworking for someone else...

But then if we talking solely in terms of knowledge then of course it would be the person who has the knowledge...that would be obvious...

If we talking about people on the same level that is a different scenario...the person who is able to do the job would go further...guaranteed...if the decision was based solely on the work...all other factors not in question...so not actually knowing but manipulating others to do it for you...is detrimental to self...as you will be found out eventually...BUT then some are really good at it....