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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4370533.stm
Dutchman on Liberia war charges
Liberia was wracked by civil war for most of the 1990sA Dutch lumber merchant has been arrested and charged with war crimes, accused of murders and arms smuggling during Liberia's civil war.
Guus van Kouwenhoven, 62, allegedly ran militias in the west African country and funnelled weapons to the regime of deposed dictator Charles Taylor.
Mr Taylor was barred from buying weapons before his fall in 2003.
Mr van Kouwenhoven is the second Dutch businessman to be charged with war crimes in the past week.
He was linked to Liberia by United Nations reports and testimony from NGOs working in the country.

Van Kouwenhoven was a key player in instability in Liberia and Sierra Leone 
Global WitnessLast week Frans van Anraat was accused of selling Iraq chemicals used to manufacture poison gas used against the Kurds in Halabja in 1988.
According to a UN report submitted to The Hague, Mr van Kouwenhoven formed part of Charles Taylor's "inner circle".
"Militias formed by the Dutchman's timber companies are alleged to have participated in massacres of civilians where even babies were not spared," a prosecution statement said.
"The weapons used by the militias to commit these war crimes are alleged to have been supplied by the Dutchman."
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Mr van Kouwenhoven was arrested on Friday after raids in Rotterdam and Paris, police said.
His name was not officially released, but was widely reported by Dutch media and publicly identified by UN and NGO reports.
Charles Taylor was a flamboyant and controversial figureBritish human rights group Global Witness campaigned against Oriental Timber Trading, Mr van Kouwenhoven's company.
"Van Kouwenhoven has been a key player in the regional instability in Liberia and Sierra Leone," said a spokesman, Alex Yearsley.
"It is fantastic that the Dutch have been able to gather enough evidence to make the arrest."
Charles Taylor launched a rebellion in Liberia in the early 1990s, seizing power and eventually being elected president in 1999.
He soon faced accusations of diamond smuggling and arms dealing and was linked to instability in neighbouring Sierra Leone.
From 1999 Liberia descended into civil war as rebels mounted a campaign to oust the president, who went into exile in 2003.
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24-03-05, 06:19 PM
Tis really just another example of the weak mind of blacks.
When you look at it...and yet another case of us blaming another for why we are killing each other.
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24-03-05, 06:37 PM
We cant continue to blame white people for all our problems. Just because one white man did this, doesnt mean they all do. Its time we as black people stood on our own two feet, and took responsibility for our actions, and our future.
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LOL, I knew these comments would come. Parris, how can you not have a weak mind when you're 8 years old, recruited by white mercenaries and injected with a combination of drugs that impair your judgement and cause you to callously kill.
Most of the populous of any given AFrican country that is plagued by waris non violent and being held hostage by drugged children and ruthless dictators who cannot relate to the people. YOU of all people should know Mr-I-served-in- Africa.
Barmaican,nice generic comments about one white man. It wasn't one white man it's many who are wreaking havock with their drug and arms trafficking. It's black people like you who ASSUME too much and look on the surface. It's extremely annoying when NON AFRICANS who have never been to Africa make snapshot judgements.
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Barmaican,nice generic comments about one white man. It wasn't one white man it's many who are wreaking havock with their drug and arms trafficking. It's black people like you who ASSUME too much and look on the surface. It's extremely annoying when NON AFRICANS who have never been to Africa make snapshot judgements.
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Never knew there were merc shops working in Liberia.
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I just had a lunch time thought? Why is Tarzan white? I mean a white guy (and some black people) will not walk through a black neighborhood with a knife and we are supposed to believe one is in the wilds of Africa? LOL
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LOL, I knew these comments would come. Parris, how can you not have a weak mind when you're 8 years old, recruited by white mercenaries and injected with a combination of drugs that impair your judgement and cause you to callously kill.
Most of the populous of any given AFrican country that is plagued by waris non violent and being held hostage by drugged children and ruthless dictators who cannot relate to the people. YOU of all people should know Mr-I-served-in- Africa.
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What you don't see DSP is how weak and pathetic you all make African look by saying "Its all white's fault", as if Africans lack the capacity to think and choose for themselves, and are forever lead by whitey. ON that point.
Children were recruited by whites.......and the fathers, the leaders, the protectors of these children were where?? Already fighting other Africans, keep in mind this war wasn't something that happened overnight.
On the leaders, If you believe these leaders to be ruthless dictaors are they not AFricans? Are these AFricans not opressing people who are Africans....if you are saying "This is paret of the problem in addtion to (blank), (blank), (blank)" I can dig it.
If this is yet another "Oh its all whitesy fault"...I can't roll with you. W've got enough pathetic weaklings crying about "oh whiteY"
Mr. Proud to be Black..how little youthink of that which you so proudly proclaim.
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LOL, I knew these comments would come. Parris, how can you not have a weak mind when you're 8 years old, recruited by white mercenaries and injected with a combination of drugs that impair your judgement and cause you to callously kill.
Most of the populous of any given AFrican country that is plagued by waris non violent and being held hostage by drugged children and ruthless dictators who cannot relate to the people. YOU of all people should know Mr-I-served-in- Africa.
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What you don't see DSP is how weak and pathetic you all make African look by saying "Its all white's fault", as if Africans lack the capacity to think and choose for themselves, and are forever lead by whitey. ON that point.
Children were recruited by whites.......and the fathers, the leaders, the protectors of these children were where?? Already fighting other Africans, keep in mind this war wasn't something that happened overnight.
On the leaders, If you believe these leaders to be ruthless dictaors are they not AFricans? Are these AFricans not opressing people who are Africans....if you are saying "This is paret of the problem in addtion to (blank), (blank), (blank)" I can dig it.
If this is yet another "Oh its all whitesy fault"...I can't roll with you. W've got enough pathetic weaklings crying about "oh whiteY"
Mr. Proud to be Black..how little youthink of that which you so proudly proclaim.
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DEAD, and I would expect you to know that. Most of these children are orphans.
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I expected more from someone with military experience like yourself. Let's be specific and not LOSE FOCUS. You're making GENERAL statements. Roughly 80 thousand child soldiers and militia terrorized a population of 3.5 million. How do u expect them to solve that issue, switches from the bush? Its' easy to make judgements from the outside.
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If someone kills your parents, then puts a gun to your little brothers' head and give you 24 hours to kill as many of your neighbors as you can what do you expect? You going to catch bullets with your teeth and save the day. I don't think so. This is NOT a majority AFrican behavior, this is a minority of dictators being supported by your masters in the white house, CIA, parlaiment, and NATO.
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Yes it IS WHITEY'S FAULT.
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DEAD, and I would expect you to know that. Most of these children are orphans.
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I expected more from someone with military experience like yourself. Let's be specific and not LOSE FOCUS. You're making GENERAL statements. Roughly 80 thousand child soldiers and militia terrorized a population of 3.5 million. How do u expect them to solve that issue, switches from the bush? Its' easy to make judgements from the outside.
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If someone kills your parents, then puts a gun to your little brothers' head and give you 24 hours to kill as many of your neighbors as you can what do you expect? You going to catch bullets with your teeth and save the day. I don't think so. This is NOT a majority AFrican behavior, this is a minority of dictators being supported by your masters in the white house, CIA, parlaiment, and NATO.
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Of course Dead, and how killed them?? Other Africans....they are themselves to blame for the reason they are not around to protect their children.
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both of us are making general statements brutha.....you are making a general statement in your above mentioned, that because of this, its the reason we don't like whites.....man if that is not a generalization, I'm not sure what is.
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Not only that we went from Guus van Kouwenhoven, to child soldiers....yes....lets get back on focus.
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Here is the thing...........do whites play a hand in turmoil in African, no doubt. Are Africans allowing themselves to be used, yes? And anyone who says otherwise is not paying attention or disagrees for the sake of disagreeing.
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As long as Africans have some one to blame for its internal wars, for its famine, for its slavers (in the 21 century), for its civil wars......Africa will NEVER have to take responsibility for its own actions.
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As far as This is NOT a Majority AFrican Behavoir.....check it, 47 out of the 50 or so countrries in Africa have been a war in the past 100 years.....
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yes, it is African Behavior.....more aptly put, its human behavior.
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And the sad thing is that Africa is running out of men faster than it can raise children.
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