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25-03-05, 12:17 AM
Cant see much point in living life through a tube. Let nature take its course and allow the individual their dignity.
Unless obviously there is a strong case the patient will recover to gain some quality of life.
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25-03-05, 12:24 AM
if i was going to be brain damaged or vegetablised or paralysed from the neck down or something i would want my family to just let me die. I would have no quality of life, esp if there is little to no hope of a full recovery.
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25-03-05, 12:24 AM
I would have talked with them before something would have happened. Personally I feel like living from a tube isn't much living so let me Die.
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25-03-05, 12:30 AM
my profession has taught to consider cases like these from all sides (family, medical etc ). there have been occassions were ppl in comas have 'woken up' after 15yrs!but i have to agree with the others b4 me.....i'd have to let my loved on die in peace. seeing a terminally ill patient in ITU on a life support machine was one sight i will never forget from my student days...!
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25-03-05, 12:40 AM
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if i was going to be brain damaged or vegetablised or paralysed from the neck down or something i would want my family to just let me die. I would have no quality of life, esp if there is little to no hope of a full recovery
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playn devils advocate here.....
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what would you consider to be a full recovery/good quality of life? walking?talking? being able to feed yourself?
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surely only god has the right to decided when a person dies? who are u to say that someones time is up (especially when the medical profession has made so many advances)...?
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and if you do decided to 'pull the plug' on someone...who would you expect to do it, the dr's, the nurses, or would you want to do it?
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25-03-05, 02:06 AM
people.. people... people....look what you have just posted!
10 years ago it would be a massive decision to pull the plug on a person in a persistent vegetative state, this would've been a moral dilemma!!! nowdays people are saying if I'm paralysed from the neck downwards kill me, kill them! In 10 years time if you're in a major accident or in a coma, straightaway people will be saying kill them, let them die.
When does it get to a point when you relise you're at retirement age, no use to the workforce, and it's time to go?
OK OK it's a little far fetched, but know that you've all been desensetized, the goal posts are constantly shifting as to what life is actually worth.
Abortion, life support machines, disability at birth, look at the WHOLE picture then you will relise that you have been desensetized to death.
Then you have to dig deep and ask a question....cui bono? for whose advantage? who benefits? because it isn't you or your family.
The world's full of them..... and you know it!
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25-03-05, 04:59 AM
i am so happy someone has voiced an enlightened opinion. As much as I believe this issue to be a true tragedy for both the parents and the husband. I think they both love that woman very much. If the courts stepped in then when would it stop. Would the profoundly retarded be expendable, or what about the babies born with birth defects that would never be "normal"; do we justify killing them also? How about grandma or grandpa in the home that we know is never getting better? To just let someone slowly starve and refuse wateris just barbaric.
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25-03-05, 05:14 AM
I would put everything in God's hands. I know that God is real!!! It's not my job to take a life. We are overstepping God when we make decisions like that. I know a couple that just gave birth to twins prematurely with one of the babies getting placed on a respirator for excessive fluid running towards the brain. The father was asked if he would like to decide to remove the baby from the respirator the child would surely die soonafter. Even if it lived, the baby would suffer from braindamage. The father refused to do so saying that is his child and he would love him the same. Even though the baby died soon after, I myself would do whatever it takes to keep a precious life. I couldnt do that to my child or my wife or anyone that is part of me.
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25-03-05, 09:00 AM
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if i was going to be brain damaged or vegetablised or paralysed from the neck down or something i would want my family to just let me die. I would have no quality of life, esp if there is little to no hope of a full recovery
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playn devils advocate here.....
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surely only god has the right to decided when a person dies? who are u to say that someones time is up (especially when the medical profession has made so many advances)...?
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i meant if it was me personally in that position, i would want to die. If it was a family member lying in that hospital bed, i don't know what i would do. If i can'tcommunicate, move, feed myself or even wipe my own butt there is no quality of life. That is just my own opinion, i am not generalizing for everybody.Some people might be OK with living paralyzed from the neck down if they could still communicate.
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25-03-05, 12:52 PM
this topic is a hard one to express your true opinions on without coming across hard or uncaring!for me...its made harder as sometimes a little knowledge is often a curse!
i have nursed patients with terminal cancers, who have been given only months to live....the looks on their faces is one that could break even the hardest heart-but they have fought tooth and nail to have every treatment going as they believe they have everything to live for.
on the flip side i have had my fellow collegues tell me about patients they have nursed in a PVS whos family have not accepted the fact that this person will never walk, talk, feed or wash themselves. we have no way of assessing this patients pain level and therefore have to keep them sedated all the time, they arebeing fed via tubes, machines are breathing for them, and the nurses are washing them. imagine if that was your 25 yr old brother...and he ended up in that state as the result of a car crash(completely hypothetically speaking) could you watch him waste away like that? people often make the mistake of thinking thatpeople look the same...and wontchange, well thetruth is they dont...they loose weight, they often have involuntary actions such as blinking and mouth opening which can be very distressing to their family,and they will oftenarrest (their heart stops beating) on numerous occassions. often if they do manage to get their heartsbeating again,they have caused even more brain damage as the brain has been starved ofo2.
but as i have said b4...there have been people who wake up after 15yrs of being in comas, what if their family had pulled the plug?
therefore i feel the only way around situations like this is to make sure we make our wishes clear to our familys.......or else who knows what will happen to us?as jay jay says , it may sound like we are desensitised to death and dying, but look at it this way, someone has to die in order to donate a lung or their heart...so by signing a donor card does that mean i am desensitised..or just in control of what i want to happen to me should i pass tomorrow?!
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25-03-05, 12:55 PM
What the hell if wrong with people? Yall love must be real thin to let your love one starve and die. If it was my loveone, I wouldnt let them die especially in her non-vegetative state? Anyone knowwhat a vegetable is? A person that is brain dead and unconscience. Terry S. is brain DAMAGED and conscience. It would be different if she was in a coma and totally not responding but in the video tape she was very responsive, smiling and even went in for a kiss when her dad went to kiss her on the cheek. This clearly iis a responsive and conscience person that is somewhat aware of the enviroment and people around her. If a person is conscience enough to do all of those things, they shouldnt just let them die because they can't feed themselves.
So what she has a feeding tube, its not like she's on life support and she died and they resusitated her. Feeding tube and resusitating the dead is 2 different things and really, she looks no different from a retarted person. Now that the tube has been withdrawn and they show the video, now she looks much worst and even her husband says she is withdrawn in the news. THATS BECAUSE SHES DIEING OF STARVATION!!! If a person is able to be withdrawn, thats proof that she is not a vegetable.
I question her husbands motives because he has been trying to remove her feeding tube since 1998 right after she first had the stroke. So its not like he watched her deteriorate and now says let her die in peace. I put money on this, that he's either seeing someone eles or wants that insurance money because no one that sees her upclose day to day and see that she's not a vegetable could just let her die if they loved her. We don't see much so its easy for us to say let her die in peace and all kinds of bullshit because we don't know her so its easy to say let her die. Let that been your babygirl on the line with so much evidence showing she is not a vegatble, you wouldnt let her die and would be doing everything you can to help her.
The husband should just get lost and give custody to her family and let them take care of her since its such a burden to him and he wants to wash his hands off it. If it was my daughter, I would be at the husbands crib right now wearing his ass out. I wouldnt care if i went to jail either because if my child dies because of him, he's going with her!!!!!
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