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30-03-05, 07:24 PM
Black Americans is to fried chicken as the asians are to rice....very surprised you didnt know that.
patties:P......rice and peas:P.......dumplins:P.....
I dont even know what the hell goat curry is:?
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30-03-05, 07:25 PM
I guess part of the reason could be that most of our relatives from the carribean migrate to england more than america so therefore the food would be a lot more wide spead over here than it would be in america but thats purely speculation on my part.
Although I thought that food like Grits, and fried fish and greens actually were considered to be black foods? confused3
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30-03-05, 07:34 PM
what is grits composed of
anyway............my diet is mostly east/north african...................spinach stew, black eyed beans stew, falafil,foul medamas, chick peas stew......................couscous with lamb, stuffed peppers..................healthy stuff..................i also have my friends curry goat, rice and peas with plantain and colslaw..............my nigerian friend does lovely jollof rice............................
healthy nice tasting food
damn i am hungary now
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30-03-05, 07:34 PM
It is more in the seasoning. That is why you see a lot of white people coming into black communities here for the same food they can get in other communities.
AS far as the rest of the food like goat curry and things, I have visited countries on the west coast of Africa that had more of a fish diet, so I still wonder where black people as a whole come with black food LOL
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30-03-05, 07:37 PM
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Black Americans is to fried chicken as the asians are to rice....very surprised you didnt know that.
patties:P......rice and peas:P.......dumplins:P.....
I dont even know what the hell goat curry is:?
Im in shock! I don't know anyone that doesnt like rice and peas or patties!...or dumblins for that matter!
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And blieve me, you havent lived until you've tasted a good peice of well cooked curry goat. Although, Like i said, WELL COOKED. No everybody who claims they can cook a pot of curry goat actually can :P
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30-03-05, 07:48 PM
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I was reading your post. What you' re implying reminds of a woman a I worked for. She's an African-American, but has lived in Brooklyn for ages. Anyways, I use to help her plan menus for her special needs clients. We had a slight dispute about it. To me , her menu contained too much starch in it and don't ask me how we got to soul food, but she implied that all Black people ate soul food. I disagreed with. I'm from the South(Georgia). Allthough I do eat some homecooking the majority of it I don't because I find it to be pretty disgusting. For the most part I was raised on gourmet cooking thanks to my dad who , to is from the South. I just outright told her that not every Black person and not every Black person from the South eats sould food and secondly she need to add less starch to her menu because it wouldn't be health for her clients.
I say the same thing to you, but in a different was. Have you been to parts of the South lately? have you been to my state? While Georgia may not be as big as Miami or New York when it comes to caribbean food, they are sure creeping up there. Just as much as you say Southern people eat soul( and that is not always the case)food, there are many who also eat Caribbean, African( Ethiopian ) Moroccan( that is some good food, Check out the Imperial Fez in Atlanta--very good stuff!) Chinese, Italian Greek etc and the list goes on and along with Soul food/home cooking there are a great deal of restaurants that you can go to if you have a diverse range of taste.
I cannot speak for all parts of the South, but with all due resepct, if you came to Georgia and came to Atlanta and some of the restaurants in the outskirts you would have seen many of the places. I think that you haven't looked hard enough to see. Far as Caribbean restaurants, they're even become commonplace in the South--at least in Georgia. Maybe you should check out www.accessatlanta.com. If I'm not mistaken, they can give you great restaurants in my city.
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30-03-05, 08:15 PM
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A big culture shock for me til this day, and for all the times I have lived and been to america, is the culture of food that black americans eat......I'm suprised.....When I first went to america about 16 years ago, I was so suprised to see that the black american speciality of food was, Fried chicken, Grits, MASHED POTATOES!!!, Gravy, macaroni cheese, and fried fish........It was so suprising because I was like "right, now I want some curry goat....patties....rice and peas....salt fish....dumplings...and everytin...! And a large mojority of black people in the states don't eat that type of root foods, and have never tasted this type of amongst black people...! In america, it's like the black people and the white people eat the same thing.....whereas in england we don't eat the same has white people....most black people eat carribean based foods....! Considering black americans are so caught up on this word AFRICAN-AMERICAN.....There dosen't seem to be that much 'AFRICAN' about them, and food is what truly shows your heritage....even black people int he carribean and britain still eat and have a good knowledge of root food....!
It's not there fault though....Slavery is what stripped black americans of there heritage and roots...! I think it depends on where you go in the states though, because in southern florida and new york city, you can generally get a broder range of foods including carribean foods, because there are a large minority of jamaicans in new york(queens) It's was pretty relieving to find shops and stores that sold foods like plantain and salt fish in new york...! But in the south......i'm talking, tennese, georgia, north carolina, virginia.....there are such a large number of black people that have never tasted food like this...! It was very weird and suprising....
Have any other people from the U.K had this same experiance in the United states..!
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Well, what this is saying is alot of my brothers and sisters dont have access to carribean dishes in southern states unless youre in the cities. Dallas for example has a great resteraunt called Elaines. Atlanta has some as well. Raleigh and Charlotte also has carribean spots. But I tell you what, there are alot of places that dont have one...I wonder if I'm giving someone an idea to open up a chain of carribean resteraunts in the south..I think you would make an awful lot of money getting into areas like Jackson Mississippi or Little Rock Arkansas. The thing is, all of us love carribean food. Alot of us just dont have access to
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30-03-05, 08:27 PM
the reason why black people in the uk generally eat caribbean or african food is beacause they grow up on it. white people in england liketasting foods of different cultures which is why curry is the top dish above traditional fish and chips. plus you see them going mad over jerk chicken at carnival.
having said that when i lived in LA my mum always took me to Stone Market where we bought all our caribbean foods and each trip i would have a pattie. yuummy. so west indians no matter where we are we will get the foods we love as it aint about compromise. cook food is good food
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30-03-05, 08:45 PM
do you think 4 generations from now, africans from the caribbean and the continent will still be eating rice & peas and jollof rice?
nuff wortless 2nd generation african woman and man who live on takeaways
and burnt, fried food
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30-03-05, 09:03 PM
Finest G,
First sir you'll have to dig deeper into our eating habits. foods like grits,chitlinns and others were throwaways from the slavemaster's table.Our forefathers made those self-same throwawys intodeilcacies we enjoy today. I agree our dietis heavy in starch and other things we don't need.But before our lifestylewas not a sedentary it "got us thru".
As Cee Cee said diets vary by location.Many black in coastal areas eat more shrimp, crayfish and crabs.So there is no toal "Black" American diet.But fried chicken is a worldwide phenomenon.
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A big culture shock for me til this day, and for all the times I have lived and been to america, is the culture of food that black americans eat......I'm suprised.....When I first went to america about 16 years ago, I was so suprised to see that the black american speciality of food was, Fried chicken, Grits, MASHED POTATOES!!!, Gravy, macaroni cheese, and fried fish........It was so suprising because I was like "right, now I want some curry goat....patties....rice and peas....salt fish....dumplings...and everytin...! And a large mojority of black people in the states don't eat that type of root foods, and have never tasted this type of amongst black people...! In america, it's like the black people and the white people eat the same thing.....whereas in england we don't eat the same has white people....most black people eat carribean based foods....! Considering black americans are so caught up on this word AFRICAN-AMERICAN.....There dosen't seem to be that much 'AFRICAN' about them, and food is what truly shows your heritage....even black people int he carribean and britain still eat and have a good knowledge of root food....!
It's not there fault though....Slavery is what stripped black americans of there heritage and roots...! I think it depends on where you go in the states though, because in southern florida and new york city, you can generally get a broder range of foods including carribean foods, because there are a large minority of jamaicans in new york(queens) It's was pretty relieving to find shops and stores that sold foods like plantain and salt fish in new york...! But in the south......i'm talking, tennese, georgia, north carolina, virginia.....there are such a large number of black people that have never tasted food like this...! It was very weird and suprising....
Have any other people from the U.K had this same experiance in the United states..!
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[b]Most Black folks here in America are NOT caught up into using the term African-American. With few exceptions we tend to refer to ourselves as Black. "African American" was a term that about 20 years ago, whites started slyly slipping into the vernacular. I've seen more whites say it than Blacks. I don't like the term because it is used as a racial description in place of using Black. This is dangerous, because it is divisive. If one were to accept "African American" as a race, that would mean the African American is a totally different race than French Blacks, Caribbean Blacks, British Blacks etc. To my eyes, "African American" is only useful in describing a collective culture - but not a race.
As the foods we eat here goes vs. the foods that Blacks in Britain eat, it is not at all indicative of one's true Blackness, African-ness or Heritage. The way I see it, the things you say and do determines how down with Black folks one is. In other words, worldwide in many places where Black people reside, we have various crisis situations dealing with subjects as diverse as economics, education, health, living conditions, etc.
The REAL questions of Blackness are:
- Are you doing your part to help in any of the above areas?
- Do you promote unity amongst your immediate family, your immediate Black community or amongs Blacks from varied cultures?
- Or are you caught up in the foolishness of trying to criticize the level of someone else's Blackness?
These questions are not specifically directed at you, Finest_G. They are rhetorical, really. I respect your right to express your point of view. It's only by sharing viewpoints and listening that any of us can learn.
On the subject of types of food, I would say a majority of Blacks in America tend to have a diet that is somewhat different from white folks when it comes to suppertime. Cornbread, for example, is regularly seen on the dinner tables of millions of Blacks in the U.S. The same does not hold true for white dinner tables. There are certain carryovers from Africa that we enjoy too - such as squash, okra and yams.
In that sense, there is little difference between the food of the African-American culture and Caribbean foods. Not all of the Caribbean foods you listed had their roots in Africa. Both Blacks from the Caribbean and from the States have ancestors who were slaves. It's how many of our peoples arrived in the West.
Me? I enjoy almost ALL the foods that yall mentioned. And impactplayer? Man, someone needs to hook you up with some good curry goat and rice (and plantain), then your tastebuds will know of the delicious food of which we speak.
......Matta fact, someone needs to hook ME up with some too! blkpoketongue
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here here
i am having some curry goat tomorrow for my din. i hope its curried and not stewed either way goat meat is deliciousblk2cheers2
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