SUPER NANNY

Miss Price · (#1 (**permalink**))

did anybody watch super nanny yesterday?

OMG those awful kids, it just makes me wonder how different the black culture is compared to the white british culture. i mean what ever happened to beatin them kids until they behaved, i swear if me orany of my cousins when we were growing up behaved like that, my gran we just get the big brown belt from the cubard, standard and wipe the floors with us. spitting, swearing, fighting with their own mum rass thats just CRAZY!

why are some white kids so unruly, u all know the type the ones you see in yr local town center, in the supermarketor on the bus.

i swear if i see any black family on that show, to make a white woman tell them how to discpline thier kids, i would just feel shame for them and thier entire family.

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However another question

if black kids got so much disipline at home, (cause u all know most of us got some proper beatins!!!)

why when we get to high school are we so un able to be controlled (and u all know the type am talking about).

maybe we do need more black teachers to enforce this dicipline.

miss p.

Sooofresh · (#2 (**permalink**))

@Miss Price

it is a well documentated fact.......................black children upto Juniors perform better than white kids.......................due to good home up-bringing...................then once the state takes over then it goes downhill from their.

The question

is iti family up-bringing or the state?

Miss Price · (#3 (**permalink**))

hmmmm good question @sooofesh

like sex education i believe it is both, in themain the family shouhd be the foundation of this but the school should be as aninstiutionthe forces that helps teenagers through. however we all know that is not the case, to which i belivewith parents knowing this disgusting fact the parents, (not all black parents, and we all know the onesam talking about)should step in and take conrol, for the sake of their childs education, knowing what the sate system does not do.

yet, what about those parents who will totally believe in the system and blindfully think their child is being taught right and only go in to the shcool to question the tachers authoritrian policies when they feel thier son or daughter is be done by because 'they are black', and thats were itstarts when black kids who think they have the power to do what they like because they know there mum will come in andargue for them. the teachers aint gonna want to teach them properly.

so where dose itend?

miss p

LadyDay · (#4 (**permalink**))

simple the white teachers have no idea

different cultural rules and standards.

Mafdet · (#5 (**permalink**))

I watched the programme and to be honest with you couple years ago I would've been disgusted but enlight of all the programmes on naughty children and teens I am not surprised. Its a shame that a mother is scared of her own children ....that couldn't happen in my yard the level of disrespect those children showed to their mother if they were mine they would wake up to find they are now dopies/ghost.

But people my family usually sit and watch these programmes and even though it was not brought up these peoples diet the food they give their children plays a BIG part on their behaviour. I noticed in the background the junk food that the mother fed these kids as well as the consent supply of chocolate crisp and fizzy sugary drinks.

Until parents including African/Caribbeans realise this affects their childrens behaviour no "Super Nanny" can fix this with time out periods alone....the diet is a major part.

Devine Order by Leroy Campbell

Miss Price · (#6 (**permalink**))

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I watched the programme and to be honest with you couple years ago I would've been disgusted but enlight of all the programmes on naughty children and teens I am not surprised. Its a shame that a mother is scared of her own children ....that couldn't happen in my yard the level of disrespect those children showed to their mother if they were mine they would wake up to find they are now dopies/ghost.

But people my family usually sit and watch these programmes and even though it was not brought up these peoples diet the food they give their children plays a BIG part on their behavior. I noticed in the background the junk food that the mother fed these kids as well as the consent supply of chocolate crisp and fizzy sugary drinks.

Until parents including African/Caribbeans realise this affects their childrens behavior no "Super Nanny" can fix this with time out periods alone....the diet is a major part.

Devine Order by Leroy Campbell

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u really think so?

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u think diet has something to do with a childs behavior? Maybe, i have heard fizzy drinks and foods with high sugars in them do make some children hyper!!! But a good diet is taught, and if the parents don't know then there is no hope for children. I always assumed that black parents gave thier children proper home cooked meals, like my mother and grandmother always did, (always forcing the green!!).

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but i have learnt throughdiscussion that many of my peers, when growing up lived off microwave meals, nuff frozen food and all that stuff, plus when i look back at high school, sometimes u can tell when a person/child dose not have enough nutrients, u can honestly tell they live off microwave meals etc.... i could sense this pattern with alot of white kids sometimes their skin and teeth would just look too un healthy

so if black cultures are doing the same thing as white cultures. We can't blame no one but ourselves for allowing our traditional culture to slip and filter with the mainstream white british culture, and back fires when things go wrong.

look at the indians, not to compare the two cultures cause am sure we been here before, but just look at the statitsics. Normally the British culture ends at the front door, and the indian culture begins when closing the door, (indian food, discpline etc).

if you say food is the cause then, u may have apoint as if this is the case as asians on a daily basis eat home cooked food, however us black british, will eat ANYTHING (lets not lie), were more and more adopting the british culture to such an extent that withn schools our teenagers are loosing the home cooked discipline.

is this maybe to an absent in the community in father figures over the last 25 years, is that what is missing to discipline?

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miss p.

Mafdet · (#7 (**permalink**))

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@madfet

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u really think so?

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Yes I do believe it plays a big part and even those in the medical field will back this up. Even Jamie Oliver in his school dinners quest came across this finding and he wasn't even looking for it......did you watch that programme.

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u think diet has something to do with a childs behavior? Maybe, i have heard fizzy drinks and foods with high sugars in them do make some children hyper!!! But a good diet is taught, and if the parents don't know then there is no hope for children. I always assumed that black parents gave thier children proper home cooked meals, like my mother and grandmother always did, (always forcing the green!!).

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But that is just the point your mother and your grandmother especially your grandmother would've been raised in an era where there was less junk around i.e convience foods. Many of us here in this village can relate because we were raised with parents that had no choice but to cook a healthy more balanced meal plus we did more excersise to burn off the food. But nearly everything today has more than it needs sugar in it and loaded with chemicals in the artifical ingrediants this effects the childrens behaviour.

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but i have learnt throughdiscussion that many of my peers, when growing up lived off microwave meals, nuff frozen food and all that stuff, plus when i look back at high school, sometimes u can tell when a person/child dose not have enough nutrients, u can honestly tell they live off microwave meals etc.... i could sense this pattern with alot of white kids sometimes their skin and teeth would just look too un healthy

so if black cultures are doing the same thing as white cultures. We can't blame no one but ourselves for allowing our traditional culture to slip and filter with the mainstream white british culture, and back fires when things go wrong.

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Black culture is slowly but surely being emerged with white culture and when this happens along comes the bad .

look at the indians, not to compare the two cultures cause am sure we been here before, but just look at the statitsics. Normally the British culture ends at the front door, and the indian culture begins when closing the door, (indian food, discpline etc).

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That is changing drastically too....so indians are not exempt from this, infact I am encountering more and more indians running away from their culture and traditions.

if you say food is the cause then, u may have apoint as if this is the case as asians on a daily basis eat home cooked food, however us black british, will eat ANYTHING (lets not lie), were more and more adopting the british culture to such an extent that withn schools our teenagers are loosing the home cooked discipline.

is this maybe to an absent in the community in father figures over the last 25 years, is that what is missing to discipline?

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No I wouldn't say this is the cause 100% because many women have raised children very well without a father figure and many women can set a good discipline authority in their household without a father figure. Also if we take this particular programme that this topic is about the father was a very strict authoritive father figure but the children run riot with the mother when the father was not around while he was at work so that dissolves that myth. This programme represented too much of what I come across lately many mother parents feel the only way to show love to their children is to spoil them like this mother did and that does nothing but create little monsters.

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There is just another culture being created here based on material things with children and allowing them to have whatever they want without imposing the theory of earn what you get.....everything is just handed over to them willy nilly. I can remember as young as 6 or 7 infact as soon as I started primary school along with my sisters and brothershaving to do some sort of chore on a weekly basis around the house before I could get some pocket money.

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On the weekend many children off my generation couldn't leave the house to play out unless all our chores were done. Kids today have never had it so easy they have a hoover while we had a broom they have a dishwasher while we hand our own hands to do the job, they have a washing machine while we had buckets and tubs and the big ole bath.

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If you watch any of these programmes to do with super nannies or controlling your children etc you will see that one of the first things they do is change the childs diet and give the child certain responsibilites such as chores withing the house.

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IYALLAH. · (#8 (**permalink**))

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@Miss Price

it is a well documentated fact.......................black children upto Juniors perform better than white kids.......................due to good home up-bringing...................then once the state takes over then it goes downhill from their.

The question

is iti family up-bringing or the state?

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Black children are more intelligent in the junior years but i would not say it is just due to good upbringing. Sometimes the more intelligent children are the ones coming from damaged homes.

They are more intelligent becausetheyare displaying what is naturally so before many other influences have kicked in. The teenage ones are not stupid, they are just not applying theirselves. The government willcollect their stats and make you think that the black teenagers just become dumb. That is far from the truth, because if more of them chose to apply themselves they would be back in first place.

@ SoooFresh you mentioned that once the state takes over it goes downhill. Could that be the problem? The state shouldnever be taking over in the first place.And i think this is also a contributory factor to some problems. Some people are letting their kids go too early and exposing them to too much stupidness and not encouraging them to do enough things that will contribute to good life skills lateron.

@ all - We have to stop seeingblack parents as the old school ones were, because nowadays that is sonot the case. Ihave witnessedyoung black children up in their mums business, hitting back, talking back, thinking they are grown, and it is becoming more wide spread because the parenting has changed completely.

It is not all about white teachers (even though i appreciate some of their contributions), because this world is diverse and you cant always expect to be accomodated, especially in a white country. Some kids have also got to learn that you yourself also need to be adaptable and will not always be in comfortable situations where you will be surrounded by your own, with people willing to go that extra mile for you or give you that third and fourth chance.

To me it seems that the black teenagers coming from countries where schooling is not free and dont have the jobseeker allowance safety net to fall into, seem to be doing great. Could that also say something? Maybe 'all' this country has to 'offer' could be the same thing contributing to the mindset of the youngsters in regards to their futures.

Wanty wanty cyant get it, and getty getty nah want it.

If things are going wrong we have to look at us before we point that finger. Becasue maybe if we were all fixed up,the external issues may not have a negative impact on our kids anyway, because they would have a naturally different mindset enforced by their home.

As for those parents on the TV (poor tings). They areonly having that problem because they have spoilt their children all along, and then want to tell the NO when they are 5+. That doesn't work. That is why you still have to bedirect from when they are young. They can understand youeven if they are 1 or 2, you have to explain and instill certain things, don't wait till they are 10 todiscipline them.

respecta · (#9 (**permalink**))

Sooofresh wrote:

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@Miss Price

it is a well documentated fact.......................black children upto Juniors perform better than white kids.......................due to good home up-bringing...................then once the state takes over then it goes downhill from their.

The question

is iti family up-bringing or the state?

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I disagree with that. Why do Asians excel even the Whites? I'm not saying the school system has no blame, but we as black parents can't absolve any responsiblity. And are you saying that the state doesn't run primary schools as well? Who does then?

Personally i think out of all the races black and white kids are equally unruly.

CashMoney · (#10 (**permalink**))

Off the mark @ miss proce

The difference bewteen blacks and whites is that black have shameto go on tv and look stuopid, whilst whites dont

If you thinkblack kids dont mass misbehave tehn you are my dear, DELUDED!

Mafdet · (#11 (**permalink**))

@All

Cash and Iyallah is correct this type of behaviour is creeping more and more into our community and to me it all boils down to parents do not want to be parents anymore. Its all very well these nannies coming in to correct the children but the parents need correcting and re-educating as well. Iyallah you hit ona good point many of us are children of parents from countries where you had to pay for schooling so they didn't ramp when it came to us going to school. In my days a doctor had to declare me sick to my mother for me to skip school....but my generation now who have children going to school for free takes it for granted. Also many MANY of these children are leaving school with not much difference in the level of sense to when they entered school. Todays parents of laziness is breeding a nation of uneducated ignorant fools who are going to lose out in all sectors of life from the competition from those abroad who come to this country and have a more passionate hunger to succeed.

@BlackMatta

I feel so sorry for school teachers nowadays them and nurses are two professions that is truely being taken for a ride if you ask me. Many teachers nowadays go to school fearing for their lives because your right alot of these children execute their anger in the schools I have several friends who have left the profession or changed their minds from studying this profession due to the way it stands at present.

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