Blacks who leave the Blackness at the workplace door

jazztalking · (#1 (**permalink**))

Had a painful discussion/subtle row with a black colleague who is reluctant to support a black health charity. The guy wants me toconvince him withfacts and figures about the prevalence of sickle cell anemia in our comunity before he would commit a few official pounds to the charity. Thing is, outside of the work envronment the guy seems as clued up as you can be about these issues!

I think some blacks get choopid/bazoodie/ cowardlyabout black issues when they are outside of their homes and/or at work.

Cowardly Crets!!! Where is the backbone?????

CashMoney · (#2 (**permalink**))

''proof of prevalence of sickle cell ananeia in our community''

He needs proof of that. Please tell me this is a joke. That guy is a 'shook one' straight up. Probably worried about supporting something that only applies to blacks, the PC world we live in. Wonderful

jazztalking · (#3 (**permalink**))

Time perhaps we started speaking up confidently/unafraid/ politely but firmly in the workplace about blackhealth and social needsas they are appropriate. It would seem to me that a lot of us are mealy mouthed about this - even in public sector settings where there is reasonable immunity from irrational persecution. Let the new attitude begin. (but be aware that there are nuff black coconutswho wouldattempt to shoot you down)

Cowardly cretins!!!

Mafdet · (#4 (**permalink**))

jazztalking wrote:

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Had a painful discussion/subtle row with a black colleague who is reluctant to support a black health charity. The guy wants me toconvince him withfacts and figures about the prevalence of sickle cell anemia in our comunity before he would commit a few official pounds to the charity. Thing is, outside of the work envronment the guy seems as clued up as you can be about these issues!

I think some blacks get choopid/bazoodie/ cowardlyabout black issues when they are outside of their homes and/or at work.

Cowardly Crets!!! Where is the backbone?????

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@Jazztalking

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In my experience do not waste time on this person because the energy you would consume on this idiot you could've talk to 10 more deserving blacks in that time. If we don't bring up sickle cell no other race is going to do so because its just not important to them. I hope karma don't slap that fool in his face and actually experience a friend of loved one who suffers from this disease or worst still dies from it.

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At most times we are our worst enemy.

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Lovedaddy · (#5 (**permalink**))

I myself have the sickle-cell 'C' trait, but luckily not the full-blown thing. However, I still thing that guy was in his rights to choose which charity he wishes to contribute to....

Although many might not agree with his standpoint, sSurely part of the 'struggle' that our forebears fought for was the right NOT to things as well?

It's all about freedom of choice baby...

Vezz. · (#6 (**permalink**))

Huh?

What proof does this retard need?

Listen, don't waste your time. Just tell him that you hope and pray that he and his would have no use for this charity in the future.

When you're pregnant, they test both the mother and father for this disease. That's how people find out that they're "trait".

In these days of the cash-strapped NHS, do you honestly think they's test every Black couple for this disease? I think not.

jazztalking · (#7 (**permalink**))

People..lovedaddy is the kind of black I am thinking about. They couch their irresponsble cowardice in such fine rational words..just like the hypocritical opressor.

Lovedaddy · (#8 (**permalink**))

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People..lovedaddy is the kind of black I am thinking about. They couch their irresponsble cowardice in such fine rational words..just like the hypocritical opressor.

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WTF are you talking about? Did I say that I agreed with what the guy said? No, I didn't.

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I said that this bloke had the right, if he so chooses, follow his own flow.

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My point is that anyone, regardless of their idealogical, political ortheological leanings is within their rights to go against the grain. It would be a very boring world if all people had the same beliefs. Because he is Black does not mean that he must automatically have the same opinion as the majority; again, I didn't say that I support his views, just his right to espouse them.

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...based on all that has happened with people being oppressed, are you saying that he should be denied this basic freedom?

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Let's have the debate (without the unfounded insults please)...

jazztalking · (#9 (**permalink**))

Think you missed the point lovedaddy. Its not about having the same opinion as the majority..ITS ABOUT HAVING SOME FEELINGS FOR/LOYALTY TOYOUR OWN RACE. So dont comeherehiding yourexcuses for disloyal, cowardly behaviour under the shabby cloak of "freedom of thought." Its just makes the blood boil.

Lovedaddy · (#10 (**permalink**))

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Think you missed the point lovedaddy. Its not about having the same opinion as the majority..ITS ABOUT HAVING SOME FEELINGS FOR/LOYALTY TOYOUR OWN RACE. So dont comeherehiding yourexcuses for disloyal, cowardly behaviour under the shabby cloak of "freedom of thought." Its just makes the blood boil.

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It appears you don't understand my point Jazz.confused3

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There's nothing shabby about what I'm saying. Again I'll remind you that I am NOT supporting his position, just that guy's right to have one different from you. How you could infer that I am exhibiting traits of (to paraphrase you) "disloyalty andcowardice" shows that you are not actively reading my contribution; if you did, then you would cease from raising the temperature of your respiratory system...

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For the record: It palpable nonsense to suggest that Sickle-cell does not disproportionately affect people from the African and Caribbean communities; I have had a cousin die from the disease, suffering many horrible crises, and like I said, I have the 'C' trait.

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Further: would you really want a financial contribution from from someone who is being miserlyto want detailed proof of sickle-cell's effect on the African British community? I wouldn't be too keen to accept their cash money.

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I am not changing position, because I have never previously given one; all I have said is that the man has the right to refuse, in just the same way you have the right to disagree with him. Don't confuse the issue, and please read my previous postings to see this fact.

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Probably a more relevant issue is why so many in our race aredisproportionately missing from donor lists in terms of blood donation, organ donation, bone marrow etc. I remember when a young man called Daniel de'Gale (spelling) desperately needed a transplant of marrow, and found that hardly any of our community were on donor lists. It was a struggle, but they got there in the end.

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f you are going to vent anger, direct itat those of us in our community who are being "disloyal" by minimising the chances for our sick bethren to recover due to lack of donors. Personally, it is in this area that I think that feelings of loyalty to one's race is more relevant. I am a regular blood donor, carry an organ donor card (with consent of my spouse, should the worse happen) and on a bone marrow donor is required.

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Do you?

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If not, I don't agree with you...

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...but hey, that's YOUR CHOICE....

jazztalking · (#11 (**permalink**))

Lovedaddy...i don`t believe in too much of this choice bullshit, The man may have indeed a right to refuse..but to my mind its a white-world right, a selfish lowdown disloyal right. not a moral right. in this context its a perverse, unnatural right. So if you want to admire his right go ahead. I see it for what it is.

BTW choice is not a natural right, but a culturally bestowed one that operates to the benefit of given interests.

Lovedaddy · (#12 (**permalink**))

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Lovedaddy...i don`t believe in too much of this choice bullshit, The man may have indeed a right to refuse..but to my mind its a white-world right, a selfish lowdown disloyal right. not a moral right. in this context its a perverse, unnatural right. So if you want to admire his right go ahead. I see it for what it is.

BTW choice is not a natural right, but a culturally bestowed one that operates to the benefit of given interests.
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For me choice transcends race and class. I feel that we as a people were denied choice for so long that I will let someone pipe up, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. I would rather someone comes out with their opinions openly, than lie to me and themselves by "towing the line"...

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Also I love a good debate!

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You're right in that choice has to be bound within societal norms and values, so I completely agree with you there. Someone may choose to run amok through a shopping centre with a machete - indeed that doesn't make it right eh?