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Post imported post - 18-06-05, 12:15 AM

Usually, I'll say what is on my heart, but with that in mind, I learn not to sweat the small stuff.

People say things that they don't mean all the time due to some emotional imbalance inside of them. Urkel called it emotional cholesterol. Some things could be overlooked while others requires a good old fashion stomping.


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Problem is then things escalate...Happened in a neighbours office....3 Women in each adjacent room....all cool with each other....Woman A from Room 1 falls out with Woman A from Room 2.....Woman A's friends from Room 1 now don't speak to Woman A from Room 2.....Woman A from Room 2 has friends who don't talk to Woman A in Room 1....Now all 6 Women don't speak because 2 of them had a disagreementconfused3
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I was good friends with my friends boyfriend who was also a student of mine. We got on really well. When they broke up I felt I needed to stay loyal to her, although the guy did nothing wrong to cause the break-up. Months went by and in that time my friend decided he really was love of her life, so she tried to get him back. He wanted friendship only, so great we can all be friends again.

Last time we were all together he suggested we all hook up soon, watch a movie together etc etc. But...a week later he text me to ask if he could come round that evening. In my innocence I assumed he;d asked her to but he had not. She had the temper tantrum from Hell, so I told him I couldn;t see him.

He invites me for a coffee to talk because he received a dozen abusive calls from her. I met him and told him how my friend was feeling and how he had un-intentionally hurt her. That was months ago and I never told her about our meeting. She has not heard from him in all that time.

But this morning he text me to wish me a happy solstice and asked if we could meet up and go on a bike ride together.

I was contemplating all this when I saw this post and thats why I replied to it. Cos these situations are a Flamin Nightmare and should be avoided at all costs....Always.

I dont know whether he;s playing mind games...or he;s after me...or he really cant see the harm in maintaining friends with me....I just dont know. My best friend says I need to keep well away from him.

Its sad because good friends are hard to find but sometimes(often) the politics in these situations make it impossible to continue. I know my friend would be devastated if she knew I met up with him and spent time. Yes she;s jealous but shes my mate and that really has to be first priority.

Either that or I run for the hills.
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Post imported post - 21-06-05, 12:20 PM

well i really cant embrace my friends nemesis. yet they can embrace mine.

i went out with some brer, and he hurt me bad with some other girl, who's name i cant even say coz it hurts so much i feel sick. they hate the fact that i still talk to him, and "punish" me for it. yet they think it's ok to chat to her.

double standards methinks. that's why i dont rely on no one but myself and my family.
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Post imported post - 21-06-05, 12:41 PM

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Had two sets of friends back in the day. Two guys had a big beef with each other and lots of people got involved. Now I have two rival sets of friends who used to fight each other all the time. It had nothing to do with me, the beef, so initially I tried the middle ground and stayed out of it.

I would go to one guys house and all the man would be talking about beefing "them other man" or I would go to another guys house and it would be the same in reverse... feels deceptive even though everyone knew my status. I even tried calling the two instigators together to make peace, but that didnt work because by then the thing had spiralled and other beefs had come out of that.

Had to choose sides... was with one group when we went out to a spot and the other was there. A standoff and nobody did anything for a change, at first I drifted and mingled with everyone (even sharing drinks). During the evening the groups drifted apart. Later on outside the other group (who I wasn't with) had done something to provoke, wontgo into details but it forced my hand and since I was with the ones I was with... had to choose sides there and then.

Eventually... you do have to choose sides and stand firm or lock off everyone. If you keep playing the middle ground, it's like you stand for nothing, nobody is inspired to be loyal to you, nobody can back you since you don't them and you are generally regarded with suspiscion.

That's just how we are. We are loyal to friends and expect it back, the nemesis (lol I like that word) is to them an enemy and you, by siding with the enemy are disloyal to them. You can do it, but don't expect loyalty back.



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Had two sets of friends back in the day. Two guys had a big beef with each other and lots of people got involved. Now I have two rival sets of friends who used to fight each other all the time. It had nothing to do with me, the beef, so initially I tried the middle ground and stayed out of it.

I would go to one guys house and all the man would be talking about beefing "them other man" or I would go to another guys house and it would be the same in reverse... feels deceptive even though everyone knew my status. I even tried calling the two instigators together to make peace, but that didnt work because by then the thing had spiralled and other beefs had come out of that.

Had to choose sides... was with one group when we went out to a spot and the other was there. A standoff and nobody did anything for a change, at first I drifted and mingled with everyone (even sharing drinks). During the evening the groups drifted apart. Later on outside the other group (who I wasn't with) had done something to provoke, wontgo into details but it forced my hand and since I was with the ones I was with... had to choose sides there and then.
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Eventually... you do have to choose sides and stand firm or lock off everyone. If you keep playing the middle ground, it's like you stand for nothing, nobody is inspired to be loyal to you, nobody can back you since you don't them and you are generally regarded with suspiscion.

That's just how we are. We are loyal to friends and expect it back, the nemesis (lol I like that word) is to them an enemy and you, by siding with the enemy are disloyal to them. You can do it, but don't expect loyalty back.
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Hmmm, interesting....very.
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I have never looked at it that way before, i mean about loyalty....Most times that i have choosen between sides is i usually wheights who was in the wrong most....then take it from there.
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Interesting thread...lol..i guess you learn something new everyday...niceone.gif



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Hmmm, interesting....very.
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I have never looked at it that way before, i mean about loyalty....Most times that i have choosen between sides is i usually wheights who was in the wrong most....then take it from there.


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Interesting thread...lol..i guess you learn something new everyday...niceone.gif



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You made a good point. Loyalty is especially questioned if you are neutral in a situation where a friend was obviously in the wrong when he/she did something to another friend. And it is wise to not side with someone who is obviously in the wrong....but to tell the person that you think what they did was wrong. But sometimes it is hard to know who was in the wrong....or it isn't as obvious.

Well Timey i think if you know the friends involved, then the truth about who is lying is always evident....i don't buy it when people say i can't really tell....if you know your friends, then you would just know....its just that most of ussubconsciously refuse to acknowledge the truth so we don't have to do the hard work of choosing.....i think most people are just scared of confrontations.....so staying neutral is a way to look smart(you know, *i am being diplomatic blah blah*...yeah right) as taking sides usually means you have to explain your position etc....

Personally i have no problem choosing....but i guess others just care most about the quantity of friends they have rather than the quality of the few friends one might have.


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Post imported post - 22-06-05, 12:11 AM

Dimoke & Timeline

Choosing the side of who you think is right is seldom that clear cut.

OK, if girl A slept with girl B's boyfriend, initially girl A is the wrong doer and you lock her off and chill with girl B right?

But what if girl A had a really hard time last year, her mum died, she went off the rails and needs you? hmmm

Ill go one better... What if this happened to YOU and girl A was your rock, your supported and comforter always there for you... girl B is a good friend but you hardly see each other these days and she is always smug and boasting about her good man and relationship, making a point of it...

Is it still so clear and cut now?smoking-devil


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Dimoke & Timeline

Choosing the side of who you think is right is seldom that clear cut.

OK, if girl A slept with girl B's boyfriend, initially girl A is the wrong doer and you lock her off and chill with girl B right?

But what if girl A had a really hard time last year, her mum died, she went off the rails and needs you? hmmm

Ill go one better... What if this happened to YOU and girl A was your rock, your supported and comforter always there for you... girl B is a good friend but you hardly see each other these days and she is always smug and boasting about her good man and relationship, making a point of it...

Is it still so clear and cut now?smoking-devil
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Well Monkey darling you have just answered your question....for me personally its not just about the magnitude of the sin, its always more than that in most cases i suspect.......i would always take into considerations other factors....but sleeping with each other's partners to relieve some personal traumas is hardly a good excuses...jeees, if we were all to give that excuse and get away with it, i would have shaged all my mates horrible boyfriends.....so what if you lost your mum....THATS no excuse and not the kind of behaviour i would expect from my SOUL mates..yes, as smug as that mightsound, my BEST mates are my souls mates....boyfreinds to me are the lovely blokes we have fun with, they come and go....but my girl/girls will be around.....
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Anyways, the problem with your example is, you said girl B is not that close to me as girl A....for me i would asess both ladies' point.....if girl b says i must choose, well i will say me and her are hardly that close....besides, she probably would just ask that to make her self better and get back at girl A
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I would choose neither for the time being anyways....if girl A is REALLY ****ed up over her loses, i will be around to help...but i will make it clear that i am not in anyway condoning her evil deed.....she will have to prove to me that she was REALLY one stop away from mental institution for me to understand where she is coming from.....look, i could go on forever about the conditions i would impose on her......but the main point is: BOTH ladies would still be kept at arms length until they straighten up....and that to me is a choice....even if its not as clear and cut to you or other people....to me its clear...
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Post imported post - 22-06-05, 12:39 AM

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I didn't say girl B was not close to you. I said you don't see as much of her anymore. Some of my closest friends see me rarely these days because of commitments like work or babies but we all still brothers...

They are BOTH your closefriends...

And as for EVIL DEED lol... yeah I suppose it is, but it's hardly uncommon is it? And she was in a bad state, (some people handle things better or worse than others) I've seen people go to peices over stuff others just get on with... lets just say girl A was in a bad way... you wouldn't condone her actions but you would understand right? everyone makes mistakes surely?

OH YEAH

Theywere notfriends with each other... but areboth yours.



Anyway, would you lock them BOTH off for real?




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How do you feel about being friends with someone who hurt a friend of yours?

I find it hard to even have male friends who say derogatory things about women (even if I don't know the women they are refering to) let alone being friends with someone who has hurt someone I am close to.

I don't understand the logic in ignoring the bad behavior displayed by a friend just in order to "keep the peace" and stay "middle of the road" rather than sharing an opinion about the issue.

I consider this "people pleasing" behavior because a true friend would not remain neutral if a friend was disrespected/hurt by another fellow friend. But in the spirit of "people pleasing" the person doesn't want to lose either friend so they stay comfortably neutral not displaying any empathy because being liked by both parties is more important than being honest/open about the obvious situation.

To me this is wrong and when I sense a "people pleaser/co-dependent/enabler" nowadays I run for the hills because I don't like people who don't have an opinion/identity and their goal is simply to be liked and accepted by everyone.

But what are your views? Have you encountered people pleasers who won't give you an honest opinion on a serious situation? Do you have close friends who are also friends with a nemesis of yours?
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forur whole post...and to answer ur last question..all of my friends are seperate...i have things that i do with each one of them...some of them have met...but each one of them are different..and we interact based on the things we have in common.....they don't all like the same things...but i like a lot of different things........so usually we don't run into the same people/keep the same crowd...





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