I have been speaking with a few of you in PM about some of your modern political history and rather than try PM everyone again I thought Id ask here....

Several people have mentioned to me that the party of the black man in America used to be the republican party and you have shown me proactive presidents and policymakers from back in the day to explain this. What I want to know is what happened?

Why the shift? Why is it that now the democratic party more or less garuntees itself the 'black vote'? inasmuch as such a thing exists...

Im not asking for a sneaky aim btw, just for historical curiousity...

Exactly right Burning Spear however, Lincoln didn't'free the slaves' hedidn't give a rata... about setting slaves free he was trying tomaintain the union andstop the division between the north and south;most Europeans outside theUS know this myth verywell; after all,Lincoln has slaves himself.And if he could have save the union without freeing them he would have gladly doso, these men spoke a good game when came totheir declaration 'all men are creatingequal' but reality reflected evilness, but that washow it was, perhaps this may explained why our grandparents haven't forgotnor forgave the 'sins of their fathers'; my grandmother has lived a long time before the great depression andwhen she speaks, I listen because my granny certainly have lived through the evilness of men as her mother have so her stories are valuable to me and I hold themdear.. now, getting back to her question looking at it from my generation [x], the reasons vary forour voting democratic; some see it asa socialist party and may perhaps feel that having access to services such as the free lunch programme' student grants reserved for those who desire to attend university, housing grants, as being issues that concern them as well as death penalty or a woman's right to choice in relation to abortion are strong issues that concern many women;another importantpolicy that is a favorable isthe affirmation action programme. This wascreated toprovide ethnic minorities and women access to higher education opportunity as a means to 'level' the playing the field--only problemwith it is thatwhite women benefited from it more...health care is another issue as well as having access tohome ownershipor business loans typically the democratic party isoriented towards the 'working individual' whilst the republican party often is perceived as the partyofracist, don'tsupport social programme,reduce financial grantsfor ethnic minorities,see affirmative action as a quota system design to create 'reverse discrimination against white males', don't believe in alternative lifestylers having legal rights to marry or granted the same opportunities as a heterosexual married couple. I will remain quiet on that one {ha-ha} and tend to only select an African-American of a specific nature, I don't qualified... Condi, Jesse Watts and others who all have attended typical ivy league type universities and the image is that they worked hard and dealt with some type of obstacles and this is the image of the type of 'blacks' they want. Issues that resonate with them typically reflect the ideology of the wealthy or corporations or a successful African-American...[url=http://www.theblackrepublican.net/]Overall, the reasons vary.

Well Drunk, I am sure that you now know the history, but from my point of view the Democrats take the black vote for granted because of the Civil Rights legislation their candidates passed back in the 60's. So as Spear said that they will scare black people into voting for them saying things like the Republicans will cut back gov't assistance.

This is true on some accord, but the Democratic party tries to get black people to think that black people need the Democratic party more than the Democratic party needs us. The Democratic party raises taxes to take care of more people and to give out government assistance, which to me helps black people but it does not make us independant. We steadily look out for the handout. Yet all of their friends (usually white) are given big contracts to deal with the big spending tax rich government.

Then on the other hand the Republicans come back and cut spending on a lot of much needed gov't assistance for people who really need it (mostly black) and provide refunds to people for around $600 or tax refunds where they get a few thousand dollars. Yet the normal person who needs that money since the gov't has cut back assistance does not see that money they are getting back as a bad sign. For every dollar that a normal person gets back upper middle and up get a $100 back. So if the taxes of the rich and corporations are not going back into the gov't, the gov't cannot effectively take care of its people. So now tell me where does that leave black people?

So usually when election time rolls around black people really only have a choice of the lesser of two evils. Since the Republican ticket usually carries a lot of the "Old South" thinkers on its tickets, most black people instantly vote Democrat by reflex. Actually we are caught between as my grandmother would say a rock and a hard place because we really cannot be comfortable with either side as neither really looks out for our best interest. Only to guarantee themselves a win.

Well that is my two cents.....

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Thanks for the replies man...

As ozellh20said,Lincoln didn't give sh*t about blacks, nor did he freed slaves, that's a fiction. He was nationalist fighting for united country.

Unlike many of U who don't see the differences between the two parties, I have to say I'm amazed, because their difference couldn't be so abvious. Yes the Republican Party (formerly the Whig Party, Free-soil Party, and someDems)was the party thatmost blacks voted in the past, yes the Republican Party was anti-slavery party, but this current Republican Party is far from that party in the 1854, or 50's and 60's. One of the most important reason why many blacks voted for the GOP was the Dixiecrats "Southern Democrats".Racist southern whiteswho arenow voting for the GOP. You don't vote what a party used to be, but what it's now. So lets take a look what it's now!!!!!!!!

Republican Party of today: All Southern States who are the most racist states in this nation"Some still have the confederate flags on their government institutions"support them. Synonymous with the KKK, right wing nationalists, they only recieved 9% black votes and this a lonesays something about them, and alsoI can surely saythose blacks who voted for them last few yrs are our #1 enemies in this country. They are the once U see on tv saying sh*t about black communities. Republicans treat corporationswith morelikeness thanindividuals, that's why thewealth between the poor and the rich is getting very large, and you know who are the poor. They are against affirmativeaction"we will not need AA if we can slave them 400 yrs". 95% of them are white, and christian right.So to say the two parties are the same is far from the truth.

Talking Points: GOP
Republicans are natz:How come they don't believe in reality, how come they side step reality, how come they complain about everything, how come they are so hateful, so wrong, so ignorent, so mindless, so stupid, so racist, anti-black, anti-good. They giggle, wiggle, with nothing to fugle. How come they are taking this country and the world into the sh*t whole. How come they are supported by the poorest of the poor; racists of of all the races, white southerns, who by the waydon't benefit having republican government in power, but do so, because of their hatered. How come they have no gutz, gunz, witz, fitz, and no dignity. How come they run their mouths wide open with nothing good to say. They want more power by all means, want this, want that, want those, and who ever they can run-over. These fools are out of the top of their empty heads. These guys are natz.