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If the Jews took down their wall and left Palestine......... and America and Britain withdrew their troops from Iraq............ would there still be aterrorist threat?
What i find totally amazing is how Westerners refuse to acknowledge root causes and dismiss terrorism purely as Islamic extremism amongst Muslims who hate them.
If Afghanistan and Iraq are not root causes, then how come we travelled happily on the tubes and buses, without any threat, before any of these conflicts.??
If the British and Americans continue to dismiss terrorism as an act of unrational extremism, without foundation, then surely they/ WEdeserve fe get kill.
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Can you remember being concerned about being bombed before the Afghanistan and Iraqi conflicts.?
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If the Jews took down their wall and left Palestine......... and America and Britain withdrew their troops from Iraq............ would there still be aterrorist threat?
What i find totally amazing is how Westerners refuse to acknowledge root causes and dismiss terrorism purely as Islamic extremism amongst Muslims who hate them.
If Afghanistan and Iraq are not root causes, then how come we travelled happily on the tubes and buses, without any threat, before any of these conflicts.??
If the British and Americans continue to dismiss terrorism as an act of unrational extremism, without foundation, then surely they/ WEdeserve fe get kill.
Very good point, I have brought this up with nearly all of my friends when they started talking about the terrorist attacks. I was against the Iraq war as was alarge proportionof the students at the university I was at around the time we went to war. One of my housemates kept arguing "yeh but i don't care as i'd rather be friends with the US as they are the biggest world power" and that seems quite a common argument on the "for" side. As far as i'm concerned that's rubbish, I understand there is difficulty due to deep-rooted political reasons (long-term friendship with America, etc...) but that is no excuse.
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It really annoys me as it was so obvious that going to war in Iraq would make us an even biggertarget & even more hated I mean who are they kidding! (there were reports stating this when we went to war which were discredited, and their are now reports confirming this which are again discredited!) And about the Israel v Palenstine conflict I totally agree, this is one of the main reasons and until this situation is rectified nothing will happen. I still do not believe this would stop the terrorists all together though, I think a lot of their anger comes from the double standards adopted by the US towards the Middle-East and muslim world and their constant bullying of other countries (and of course anyone who allies with them add's to their hit list). This anger has then been used to brainwash many followers that the US, UK, etc.... are trying to destroy muslims throughout the world and support the Christians & Jews, and thus the use of Islam and a holy war as a "cover" for their actions which are more against capitalism, American globalisation, bullying, dominance, etc.... RememberAl-Qaeda, etc...view America as "the REAL terrorist"
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It would take years to solve any of these problems and of course terrorism will always exist to a certain extent as we all know the world where "everyone is happy" doesn't exist, but I agree in that the best defence against these terrorists is to look at foreign policy throughout and look at why this is happening. But the problem unfortunately will always be taming the US who in my opinion have a problem opening rational dialogue with anyone else as they believe they are "above" everyone else and this is evident at all the big government meetings (unless the policies suit/benefit America's interests they will not bow or agree to anything)
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I'm not sure
If you want a cause, you'll find one.
I was lsitenign to the news and this 'Al Quida expert' from a US Uni was taking about Al Queida's goals are deepr then Adghan and Iraq conflicts. He was talkign about a judeo-christian crusade as they believe that Islam is the one true monelethic( spelling?) religion and the otehrs are false
They were saying that Spain had long beena traget because it used to be a muslim country and tha the fact they were suppporting the war only made it more appealling. Now I dont know if he just another dumb Dr but he sounded very convincing to me
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18-07-05, 01:55 PM
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If the Jews took down their wall and left Palestine......... and America and Britain withdrew their troops from Iraq............ would there still be aterrorist threat?
What i find totally amazing is how Westerners refuse to acknowledge root causes and dismiss terrorism purely as Islamic extremism amongst Muslims who hate them.
If Afghanistan and Iraq are not root causes, then how come we travelled happily on the tubes and buses, without any threat, before any of these conflicts.??
If the British and Americans continue to dismiss terrorism as an act of unrational extremism, without foundation, then surely they/ WEdeserve fe get kill.
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Very good points Le Moor. clp)clp)
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Such basic logic it makes you wonder why it seems beyond the comprehensionof so many people.
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I underlined question 3 because the way the media goes on about 'Muslim needing to integrate more in British society', you would think they haven't been here for decades.... always living as they do within their own communties.
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I read some stupidness today about Britain being at fault for not integrating Muslims more, suggesting that this lack of integration is the 'root' cause of the bombings. Yeah, suicide bombings in London kicked off because ofMuslim fundamentalistagrieved at not being integatedinto British society. Nothing to do with what is happening in certain parts of the world.
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18-07-05, 02:05 PM
Well Le Moor, the main issues involves 'foreign policies' and globalisation where one will be compel to do anything to keep their national identity intact as well as the preservation of their country. Terrorism will not be eradicated in its totality; and it is my opinion that it can be somewhat diffuses when the core causes are identified and realistic progress is made. Anytime, someone speaks against western foreign policies and actions such as the Palestine-Israelian conflict and see it objectivity by not viewing the Jews as 'victims', they are tainted as Anti-Semitic. The Americans are paying for the survival of the Israel either through taxation or money is taken from the government budget; and from what I understand, many Americans are unaware of this and the blame factor is that Jews need protection and I say, what have they done for me, I don’t recall anymore paying off my student loans nor offering me a professional job; back to the point, they are wealthy individuals that pretty much run America and heavily involved in banking, trading and things that relates to money. So, I don’t see them leaving Palestine, and now they asking America to give them 1 billion dollars to help them relocate (re house) displace Israelian people that are set to be leaving the Gaza; they are wrong, simply as that and I’m sure I will get nasty responses for saying such. America like Britain wants to maintain their competitiveness and survival (i.e. vested interests) while as the same time ‘turn a blind eye’ on the real victims that deal with evilness day-to-day. So, I do not see it changing until someone grows ‘balls’ and change foreign policies of the west and realistic work for the betterment of all societies, and we do not live in an utopia.
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I'm not sure
If you want a cause, you'll find one.
I was lsitenign to the news and this 'Al Quida expert' from a US Uni was taking about Al Queida's goals are deepr then Adghan and Iraq conflicts. He was talkign about a judeo-christian crusade as they believe that Islam is the one true monelethic( spelling?) religion and the otehrs are false
They were saying that Spain had long beena traget because it used to be a muslim country and tha the fact they were suppporting the war only made it more appealling. Now I dont know if he just another dumb Dr but he sounded very convincing to me
Yes that's a good point & i'd agree to a ceratin extent, the heads of Al Qaeda know what they are doing, all the fanatical followers are "brainwashed" to believe they are fighting a holy war & dying in the name of Allah & Islam, and when they get to heaven they will have X amount of beautiful wives, etc.... therefore they have scores of people queuing up to be a suicide bomber not fearing death and able to cause all sorts of problems. America's policies in the middle-east & with muslim countries is a big factor, and let's be honest if it wasn't for oil i doubt the US would go near the middle-east. Their capitalist, greedy, values & double standardsupset many of the muslim world there as they go against their principals,and they are seen as "The Great Satan" as described by Iran. The Israel-Palestine conflict: Jews vs Muslims & the US supporting the Jews? Withthe USseemingly oppressing muslims & supporting Christians & Jews this has been dressed up as a holy war and therefore this is the basis for Al-Qaeda's support.
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I'm not going to even bother posting on here, I see there are some serious problems when it comes to playing responses, what is this, have I been censor from speaking the truth?
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Did I miss something in this thread? confused3
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