Hmmmmm.....

Lying is univerally unaccepted among all cultures and generally seen as wrong.

Messing with a woman a man has already had sex with and is taking care of is a good way to get your jaw jerked no matter what society you happen to stumble into.

Repect for elders seems to be pretty universal.

Incest within the immediate family is also frowned upon everywhere.

@Blackmatta. Boy you occupy that high chair bro posing them deep deep conundrums.

I will have to say yes. Now you are going to ask me to explain and here is my response and don't laugh not trying to cop out. These type of issues are things I wish I had time to really go into because I read or start to but work demands always dictates what I read and never get to persue it. But no doub when I retire one day I will probably have a better formulated response.

Using my metaphysical reasoning it has to be yes. This is about universal and higher order and I suppose bigger laws which shape the construct and dyanmics of all things which trascend human society. So the word natural justice as we know it may be the wrong term as that largely pertains to reason and human constructed things.

FB

BM

You mean like Karma or what-goes-around-comes-around? Like 'fate' will just take care of things?

IMO the answer is no. You can be bad and evil and do bad and evil and get away scott free with no recompense, providing you can escape your own mind and conscience. Ask Chairman Mao or widely respected Christopher Columbus or any number of brutal slaveowners and foremen who lived in comfort and died wealthy in their sleep and loved.

Believing in such 'natural justice' is a mere bone thrown at people without justice to give them false hope and possible keep them from being riled up enough to mete out unnatural justice of our own lol
The same way that poor people are told that wealthy people are unhappy *chuckles* and that sort of thing.

Blackmatta: i would argue in the affirmative, definately believe in natural justice...I think what goes around comes around...

I remember once as a yout' going to a party with my friends when this Bluefoot was all over me like a rash, and she was giving me the big come on to go back to her place for you know what!!! She knew i already had a woman too..

This person was well known for her frequent activity (to put it mildly), so allI could think of at the time was how i would go don't in the estimation of my friends if.. I ran off with this woman..so I procrastinated, and made excuse after excuse not to go back with her....

After a while she got fed of trying and latched onto an aquiantence who had observed her behaviour with me...next thing i know both of them disappear and I never saw the brother for the whole weekend... Next thing I know a week later I buck up on said aquaintence..

My man is distinctly edgey I ask him what's wrong he tells me that he got STD from the Bluefoot, that is when I thought you know what!!! That could have been me..if i'd been stupid enough and weak enough to forget myself...that could have been me..never forgot that lesson ever..

But I also thought serve you damn well right for jumping into things without thinking that for me was one example of natural justice...

I always believe that no matter how big and bad you are you will eventually meet someone bigger and badder one day...you also see that quite graphically in BOXING...no matter how good the boxer..there is always someone hungrier and badder..out there...natural justice or the natural order of things..

I believe in 'nautral justice' or as somemay say 'God's will' or 'God takes care of things'. But I think thata lot of people look for the 'fire and brimstone' type 'justice' and not realise the subtle things that could also be seen as'revenge'.

Like if someone continually denies God, he could die suddenly from a heart-attack. It is a very deep subject, and I KNOW not everyone will understand, mainly because they don't understand the essence or the spiritualness of things, but ifpeopleopened their eyestheywould see a lot more then ifthey don't.

Black Matta

Oh..I see what you mean.

Outside of the guitly and depressed feeling most people get when they do what they BELIEVE to be wrong, I don't think there really is.

History is full of wrongs that have never been righted.


There are causes and effects...but they are strictly scientific and have no real moral basis.

It is interesting how westernized we really are.

This is a classic existentialist philosophical discussion which Jean Paul Sartre or Freidrich Nietzcshe would feel comfortable.
Is there justice in the universe ?

Nietzsche would say - “Imagine being like nature, wasteful beyond measure, indifferent beyond measure, without purpose and consideration, without mercy and justice.�


If one belongs to Christianity or Islam the old God is in heaven, and the Devil is making mischief on the earth. But everything has a purpose. Nevertheless the old fellow in the sky tells us “the rain falls on the good and the evil, the just and the unjust�.

Judaism and Islam both have provisions for slavery. Christianity, as taught by christ at least, does not. Of course lots ofchristians have ignored the teachings of christ - godamned hypocrites.

Hinduism, for 1800 years, has reduced a class of people to abject servitude. 1 in 6 people in india to this day is born a Chandala, an Untouchable, an Outcast -- and for them is reserved the most menial work and the most degrading and difficult of lives. Sounds way too f*ucking familiar.

As far as natural justice on this earth is concerned - I don't see it.

Zag

Uh...just one little tid-bit.

In Christianity slaves are also instructed to obey thei masters.

Ephesians 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. "


I just thought I'd drop that, but now we can move on.......

Damn !

Who said that Paul ? ... I bet it was Paul.

Yep, that was the Apostle 'puss*yfoot'Paul.

Christ would never say anything like that.

http://www.cyberstreet.com/calvary/Eph65-9.htm

Yeah I believe in Universal Law and Justice, dont believe it is a "Mere bone" as DM has said which was thrown at me, because ive seen this law in full effect im my own life.

Strindberg sez"the sins of the father are visited upon the son".

My Gran who is 87 her favourite saying is "stand back and see salvation".

I say "there is a higher cosmic price to be paid for your actions".

Yes there is a natural justice that is the law of nature. when farmer tried to beat nature by feeding cows meat, when nature never intened for cows to eat meat, so what was the price for going against nature was BSE.

Yeah? So what was the natural justice for the farmer who crossed a lime and an Orange and artificially made the first lemon? Or the farmers who breed carrots to be artificially orange when their natural colour is purple?

Nothing! and now we all cook with lemons and munch our way though orange coloured carrots are we to get our comeuppance?

LOL

there is no such thing as natural justice.

The laws of the universe can be summed up simply as "shit happens"