Murder Blues

CashMoney · (#1 (**permalink**))

This show was on yesterday on BBC1, it follows Operation Trident as they investigate
gun crime amongst the black community. The shows main focus was investigating the death of Marxos Cox, a gang member of the Man Dem Crew

So to those who watched it, what did you think?

I enjoyed the show, would have preferred if the main focus was on someone else because I had a very hard time having sympathy for this guy Marcus. Smashng up mans car, kidnapping, and it traspired that he tried to shoot the person who shot him. Howevr, murder is murder so i'm glad the person got caught

Sooofresh · (#2 (**permalink**))

cash

yes i do have no sympathy with those idiots..............seen the one that lost his finger pulling a triger..........ouch

the guy that killed carl cox is stupid..........i understand him being angry with getting kidnapped and held ransom for 20k.......BUT..........to shoot him in broad daylight and leave the gun with his prints all over it by the carl..........is stupid.

i felt sorry for the guy that was protecting a sis and they tried to shoot him.

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what i do not like is the concept for heading a seperate unit and calling it BLACK-ON BLACK CRIME.

since when crime got segregated and colour based.

you dont hear the white punks in sudan who have a habit for murdering each other over money, spouses etc.........WHITE-ON WHITE CRIME

anyway i am sure our blacknet member MarcusGarveyLives............will fill in soon about white-on white crime.

CashMoney · (#3 (**permalink**))

They again made the US link

What pissed me off was the ignrance of one of the youngers at the anti-gun

Youth is no excuse for stupidity. I like the way the black woman came and laid the smackdown like only a black woman can

Vezz. · (#4 (**permalink**))

I found the head of Trident patronising when he spoke to some Black boys at the Respect festival.

All in all, I found the programme interesting. It seemed odd to me that the people investigating these crimes were 99.9% White, but there you go.

The guy who grassed on Syron for killing Marcus Cox must be back in the US now.

The road rage crime shouldn't be classed as Black on Black at all. The guy who did it was just another low level gangster.

Peacemaker · (#5 (**permalink**))

efenjee wrote:

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I disagree that smoking weed causes mental illness because I know that most people who smoke weed will never experience anyepisode of mental illness.

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You're wrong it does. Visit your local mental institution and ask the people in them. Most of them deny it too. It doesn't happen to EVERYONE, but it is the MAIN cause of mental illness in people under 34. Not to mention that I think alot of this so-called black on black crime wouldn't happen at all if the folks weren't high on the stuff in the first place. Paranoia and guns are not the best combination in my opinion. 80% of prisoners suffer from at least one mental illness as well.

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Saying that, I do accept that those people prone to mental illness could bring it on sooner by smoking. I believe the people who smoke and get mentally ill from it would have probably gone sooner or later anyway, maybesome stressful life experience would bring on madness even if they never smoked a spliff in their life.

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1 in 3 people develop a mental illness at some stageof their life. Most are prone to it. Just walk around your city centre and look around. Alot of people don't look all there. Also the majority of people don't smoke it, so that being prone to mental illness excuse is bad science. Not enough data. However there's more than enough data to suggest that smoking pot does cause various mental illnesses. And that's just in the short term. 20 years down the line those that you thought were ok! smoking the stuff might develop problems thems. The body is a system and dope does build up in the long term, don't be too surprised when that system starts developing faults due to improper abuse. Kind of like how excess booziing destroys the liver.

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There are plenty of sane people smoking weed who will never lose their mind through it. Plenty use it for relaxation in moderation and it never becomes a problem for them or anyone close to them.

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No they just become highly annoying and dull. A problem enough. Potheads won't think other potheads are insane anyway.

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Drugs are drugs like you say... and some drugs are more harmful than others, some are legal and others illegal but drugs are drugs... so I guess you've never taken a paracetemol, never drank alcohol, would never let a doctor administer morphine if you were in extreme pain and you see pharmacists (Boots, Lloyds etc) as the same type of scum as the man who smokes weed and sells some of that weed to his mates who also smoke????

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A rather childish comparison.

blackbutterfly182 · (#6 (**permalink**))

Yeah I watched it found it really interesting as I was living in the tottenham area when that shooting happened, and never really found out the real reasons behind the shooting. I thought it was just an argument in the chicken shop that esculated and the guy that got shot (marcus cox) was an innocent bystander type thing. But he obviously wasnt and they both had history with eachother.

That guy from south got everything he deserved the stupid fool lost his finger what an idiot he had no remorse or shame and looked like a tramp, all the money he was making from shotting was obviously not going on clothes!lol

The guy whose house got raided was really sweet he was just laughing about it and took it all in his stride when the police mashed up his door! Suppose there was nothing he could do if the police thought cyrus had links to the flat. Hope they reaplaced his door tho!

morefyah · (#7 (**permalink**))

the programme was another example to show middle Englandhow vicious andsavage blacks can be. To be honest i cringed throughout the programme. If we don't respect ourselves how the helldo you think they gonna respect us?

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khalil · (#8 (**permalink**))

Why in the hell is this gurl justifying weed.. If you aint seen the amount of deformed and mentality collapsed black folks on road due to weed. Then you really need to have another walk around town..

The youths in the seminar were disgraceful. I had to change channel in shame. The problem iz 80% of the youths out there reason like them as well. Worst part of it there colleagues were biggin' them up. Making does dumb ass gun signalz they always do. In an anti gun seminar? WTF??... Good lookin that black woman put them straight.

Honestly, I dont care if they labelled it black on black. If our community stood up agianst it and were more involved in preventing these stupid crimez. maybe we wouldnt have these people callin it black on black crime.. I respect that black officer that was involved still. It takes a lot to do what hes doing and the rest of them.

Am sorry but the Cox dude got what he deserved. Drug dealers donn get no sympathy from me. The consequences of been a pusher will someday = Untimed Death. The guy that shot him was a waste as well. ButI understand his anger, if someone kidnapped me, hes not gonna have it gravy for the rest of his life. I think the sentence was pretty fair. Cox's boyz might seek revenge tho.

Overall it was a very good programme compared to the Mtv one the other day. this was far more real and interesting. Am looking foward to watch the rest of the series.

Kunjufu · (#9 (**permalink**))

Forum: Sorry I'm not sure who is advocating that Weed and mental illness is not connected as I've not read through this Thread..however I can say catagorically that there is a connection with drug misuse and mental disorder.. There is an Australian Study which I will have to locate that proves that there is a connection between drugs and mental illness..

I can also say from proffessional point of view having worked with people misuse drugs that WEED definately induces a psychosis that often leads to Paranoia and command hallucination(ie where people hear voices that tell them to do something..usually sucide or worse killing someone..)..

If people remember the case of John Barrett the man who killed the cyclist in Richmond Park..he basically relapsed into mental illness after smoking weed..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/4297449.stm

Kunjufu · (#10 (**permalink**))

Forum: I watched the recording of this programme early this morning...my thoughts were that overall it was an interesting programme..but..I question why Trident is FOCUSED on the colour and this label of BLACK ON BLACK CRIME..

You tell me what you THINK:

In the case of the COX murder, clearly this was gangland killing and reprisals, It is quite clear from the evidence that M.Cox was a gangster, he kiddnapped and tortured another man for MONEY... not because he was BLACK for money..

Syron..The kidnapped, understandably pissed, took revenged on COX not because he was BLACK, but because he had been kidnapped and held to ransom... and he wanted payback...

The case of the idiot arsehole who blew his index finger of with the funny gun, he was clearly a deranged man who completely lost it after a car accident, and sought to assert himself using a gun.. he didn't try to kill the other driver because he was BLACK, he tried to kill him because he was nutter with no social skills..

Last case Of the Man who was nearly shot on his doorstep, clearly the inadequate muppet couldn't take the fact that the woman left him, so being idiot sought to impose his will using a gun..not because the brother was BLACK..

Question how is any of the above different to when the Krays were rulling roast back in the 50/60's when the mained and killed people was it called gangland murders or white on white violence.. When the Krays or The Mafia in America killed people out of 'respect' was it called White on White or Gangland killings... When Al caponed gunned down 13 people on Valentines Day what that called?

Further when that deranged man shot his ex girlfriend in Harvey Nicholls two days ago...Did anyone see headlines calling this White on White murder...or Trident involved... So tell me how is that Murder different to the Attempted murder of the Brother on the doorstep..aren't these the same scenario's or did I miss something?

Personally the use of this Term, is beginning to make it look as if this type of behaviour is pandemic part of our culture it isn' most sane people do not agree with it...only those into badness..there is a difference!!!

Kunjufu · (#11 (**permalink**))

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I think that Syron character got the sentence befitting his crime. They dropped it from murder to manslaughter which I felt was justified and gave him 8 years which I think was also the right sentence. Even though he took someone's life he just did not come across as a very unsavoury character, silly as that might sound. Even the police said he did not fit their profile of a typical Trident suspect. All he was really into was selling a bit of green before he murdered that guy. The police officer was right when he said that the victim was someone's son so the crime was as worthy of investigation as any other murder - I wouldn't say it served him right that he was killed in such a way BUT the guy did have a lot of enemies and appeared to live by the gun therefore it was no surprise that he ended up dying by it.

The guy who lost his finger firing the gun in the road rage incident came across plain nasty but Syron seemed more like a guy that would have been an okay guy had circumstances not been what they were. I was imagining how he must have felt on the plane coming back from JA with his bible and his passport - I bet he is glad he came back and faced his punishment now but I don't think he could ever escape the feeling of guilt he must have for taking someone's life.

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Personally having reflected on what Syron did..I think he got of bloody lightly..no way is 8 years sufficient...lets put this in context...he completely lost it, hepulled out a GUN and discharged it several times on a BUSY high ST... I used to work and live in that area and I know the location of the Maccy Mac..(near Bruce Grove Train STN), very well to say it was Miricle that no one else was killed is putting it mildly...Sorry but in my view he should have got LIFE meaning life...for that..

Kunjufu · (#12 (**permalink**))

EfenJee: that four fingered muppet, well what can I say except that I hope he does every one of those 15 years..because tht man is NOT righted..