'Miracle' babies who is the real criminals in this case?

Kunjufu · (#1 (**permalink**))

Not sure how many people have either heard or read the story of this childless couple in Haringey who went to 'church' leader Gilbert Deya..to pray for a miricle baby.. apparently he took them to Ghana and upon their return this children couple were blessed with a baby, Suspicious of the circumstances of this childs parentage The social services of Haringey, took the child into care and accused the parents of trafficking an illegal child into the UK.. btw the mother and child has been DNA tested and it is proven that she is NOT the child's biological mother, The mother has been tested and she cannot prove that she had been pregnant..

The police is apparently investigating the activities of this so called Churh Leader Gilbert Deya...has this is not the first time that he has helped couples to have 'miricle' babies.

So here my point who is the real criminal in this situation:

The parents who brought a child illegally into the UK, knowing that this child could have been stolen?

The church leader colluding with this activity and is accused of stealing babies ffrom families in Ghana?

The Local authority who took the child into care, The child has to date been in 6 (SIX) homes already in less than two years. Two adoptions attempts have fallen through and thus far the legal case has cost us (tax payers) a cool Million pounds already.

I read this story this morning in the paper and I just felt sorry for this poor child, pass around in the most precious years of his/her life like a parcel...what will be the effect on this child.. what do you think?

Saida.M · (#2 (**permalink**))

I heard a little about cases of'miracle babies', butI don't know the full details, so going by what you said, how is it they were so swift to take the child from the parents, (albeit not the natural parents), when they appear to know so little? Also how can they atempt to adopt the child toothers when the case is suppose to be still under an investigation?

I think the child should had stayed with the original 'parents', (as long as there were no obvious signs of abuse - why not?), whilst the 'authorities' worked out where the baby came from.

You say the baby was 'stolen' - do we really knowthat?

After all the natural parents could had consented for the 'parents' to take the child.

Kunjufu · (#3 (**permalink**))

Athaba Good points and I was thinking along similar lines....I read the report in the Guardian so maybe you might want to check the facts there first....

However according to the reports i read the mother and child has been DNA tested and there is no match..The mother has been tested and proven not to have been pregnant recently.

The report also said that the Church leader is 'accused' of having stolen babies to order, i suspect however that either they were bought from poor families or unofficial surrogate arrangments were made...

However that said, I cannot understand the logic of taking a child into care, and then compounding that abuse further by not providing a stable home...and i'm even more concerns that two years down the line, the legal status of this child has NOT been resolved so its very possible that this child could be deported when she reaches 18...

but then I flip this and think that the Churh leader and the parents are evil to have child in such circumstances where he or she will never properly know the truth about themselves...that is just not right

Kunjufu · (#4 (**permalink**))

Black_power wrote:

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Saying that its not a only a black thing.....white folk buy babies off the net from places like romania all the time... look how many cases there have been over the years...

still think most modern day pastory are just Tax dodging crooks though.

Good point BP, when i was in South East Asia..it was quite common place to see white couples with Cambodian babies , very common indeed..so yes lets not make this into a 'black' thing..

ChubbiChix · (#5 (**permalink**))

I think both should be held responsible because the couple knew that kid wasent theres biologically but went along with the lie of a miracle child. The pastor is also very quilty of capitalizing off the couples desperation for children plus he may have kidnapped or bought the kid and lied and said it was a miracle from god.

LadyDay · (#6 (**permalink**))

all involved are guilty. the child should be returned to ghana to the true parents.

apparently i did read a while back that gilbert deya was being investigated in africa for stolen babies him and his missus

Kunjufu · (#7 (**permalink**))

LadyDay wrote:

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all involved are guilty. the child should be returned to ghana to the true parents.

apparently i did read a while back that gilbert deya was being investigated in africa for stolen babies him and his missus

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Thats the problem ladyDay..They don't know where or whom to return the child to...plus now that he/she has spent TWO years here..how would he/she fair..not even recognising his/her mother tongue..what a mess!!

Kunjufu · (#8 (**permalink**))

'Miracle baby' pastor held in UK

Gilbert Deya denies he is involved in child trafficking

Kenyan evangelist Gilbert Deya, accused of child trafficking, faces deportation after his arrest in Scotland this week.

Mr Deya denies accusations that he ran a child trafficking ring on the pretext of praying for his followers to conceive via miraculous powers.
Reports say Mr Deya was arrested at the Edinburgh Sheriff Court, where he had gone to assist with a paternity case.

An official there reportedly recognised him as the wanted man. He is now in the custody of UK immigration officials. Police in Kenya had issued a warrant of arrest for him after his wife, Mary, was arrested in Nairobi in September and charged with involvement in child trafficking.

She was arrested after she arrived at a hospital with a newborn baby to which she claimed to have given birth. Doctors who examined Mrs Deya, 57, said her claim of recently having given birth was false.

Extradition request
Kenyan police allege the Gilbert Deya Ministries is an international baby-snatching ring and last year asked the UK government to extradite Mr Deya.
They say their investigation revolves around the disappearance of babies from Nairobi's Pumwani Maternity Hospital and involves suspects in Britain, Ghana, Nigeria, Uganda and Kenya.

In 2004, the Kenyan authorities took 20 of Mr Deya's "miracle babies" into care after they were found to have no genetic link to the women claiming to be their mothers.

Judge J · (#9 (**permalink**))

Deya loses his appeal against extradition

Jan 8 2008

HOME secretary Jacqui Smith has ordered that a South London evangelical preacher be extradited to Kenya over an alleged "miracle babies" scam.

Gilbert Deya, a self-styled archbishop who runs his 34,000-member ministry from Ormside Road in Peckham, says he will now take an appeal all the way to the European Court of Human Rights.

The 55-year-old is wanted by the African country's authorities to face charges of child kidnapping. The preacher lost his appeal against extradition to face charges that he was supplying infertile couples with stolen children from Africa, leaving the decision to the Home Office. Cops seized 10 kids from his Kenyan home in 2004 and arrested three church members including his wife, Mary Juma Deya. She was later sentenced to two years in jail.

Archbishop Deya denies five charges of harbouring stolen children and one charge of conspiracy to harbour children

icSouthlondon - Deya loses his appeal against extradition

facetygal · (#10 (**permalink**))

You have to pick sense from nonsense. If I went to my Bishop and said I'm having trouble conceiving, then out of thin air he produces a baby for me I know that ain't no act of God. I'm gonna question where he got the baby from and seek advice outside of the 'church'. I might be desperate for a baby, but I'm not stupid. So I agree all involved in this charade are guilty, they should all be charged. As for the baby can she not be adopted, then have the case taken to court for her to get citizenship? The adoptive parents will be named on her birth certificate and she'll have an english passport? Nothing can be done about her past, but local authorities and the government should try and help her with her future. They do a lot more for the fake 'asylum seekers' and 'refugees' and it's my tax money thats gettin wasted.

facetygal · (#11 (**permalink**))

Kunjufu

My family are in the fostering/social work field, so I'm gonna look into this one and try come back with some info. Do you know why the 2 attempts at adoption failed?

facetygal · (#12 (**permalink**))

Just had this checked out, it is basically what I said. If someone is willing to adopt the girl, her name can be changed and the adoptive parents can apply for her to get citizenship. She can get a british passport, but she won't have a birth certificate unless the original can be found. In the case that noone wants to adopt her or her biological parents cannot be found, she will continue to remain in care and move from one foster home to the next. Sad state of affairs but this is gonna happen to all of the babies involved in this scam.