What is an Arab? What is a Hebrew? What is an African?

Omowalejabali · (#1 (**permalink**))

What determines one's identity? Is it one's ancestry? Nationality? Race? Culture? The world today can be a hostile environment with much conflict continuing from what may appear to be the beginning of human history. One thing that bothers me in particular is this: If the biblical Ab-Ra-Ham was a Black Hebrew and his "concubine" Hagar was an Egyptian and they bore a son named Ishmael who is the progenitor of the "Arab race" doesn't this mean that Arabs are Black-Hebrew-African alike? since Ishmael was also raised by Keturah, an Ethiopian, why then are "Arabs" somehow viewed as non-Black and non-African by other Blacks/Africans?

Omaar · (#2 (**permalink**))

An Arab is a descendant of Ishmael.

A Hebrew is a descendant of Eber.

An African is one born in Africa.

One thing that bothers me in particular is this: If the biblical Ab-Ra-Ham was a Black Hebrew and his "concubine" Hagar was an Egyptian and they bore a son named Ishmael who is the progenitor of the "Arab race" doesn't this mean that Arabs are Black-Hebrew-African alike? since Ishmael was also raised by Keturah, an Ethiopian, why then are "Arabs" somehow viewed as non-Black and non-African by other

Abraham wasn't a BLACK Hebrew, he was a brown skinned Hebrew with dark skin but different features than us of African decent.

Hagar was Black though.

True Arabs ARE Egyptian and Hebrew mixed, but most of the people calling themselves Arab today aren't true Arabs. They just adopted the culture when they accepted Islam and started calling themselves Arab.

That's why the Arabs of Sudan look different from the Arabs in Lebanon.

Omowalejabali · (#3 (**permalink**))

Omaar wrote:

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An Arab is a descendant of Ishmael.

A Hebrew is a descendant of Eber.

An African is one born in Africa.

One thing that bothers me in particular is this: If the biblical Ab-Ra-Ham was a Black Hebrew and his "concubine" Hagar was an Egyptian and they bore a son named Ishmael who is the progenitor of the "Arab race" doesn't this mean that Arabs are Black-Hebrew-African alike? since Ishmael was also raised by Keturah, an Ethiopian, why then are "Arabs" somehow viewed as non-Black and non-African by other

Abraham wasn't a BLACK Hebrew, he was a brown skinned Hebrew with dark skin but different features than us of African decent.

Hagar was Black though.

True Arabs ARE Egyptian and Hebrew mixed, but most of the people calling themselves Arab today aren't true Arabs. They just adopted the culture when they accepted Islam and started calling themselves Arab.

That's why the Arabs of Sudan look different from the Arabs in Lebanon.

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If you define an African as "one born in Africa" what about those of African ancestry who are not born in Africa?

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Furthermore, do you have any primary souce material which is evidence to the statement that "he was a brown skinned Hebrew"?

Omaar · (#4 (**permalink**))

Omowale

If you define an African as "one born in Africa" what about those of African ancestry who are not born in Africa?

They aren't African.

Furthermore, do you have any primary souce material which is evidence to the statement that "he was a brown skinned Hebrew"?

I present to you exhibit A:

These are the original Hebrews of Ethiopia who are called Falasha "strangers" because they migrated down to a foreign land.

Is their skin BLACK or BROWN?

Omowalejabali · (#5 (**permalink**))

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Omowale

If you define an African as "one born in Africa" what about those of African ancestry who are not born in Africa?

They aren't African.

Furthermore, do you have any primary souce material which is evidence to the statement that "he was a brown skinned Hebrew"?

I present to you exhibit A:

These are the original Hebrews of Ethiopia who are called Falasha "strangers" because they migrated down to a foreign land.

Is their skin BLACK or BROWN?

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1. That means that you are telling me I'm not "African".

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2. That means you also are telling me that my "Ethiopian" forefathers were BROWN, not "Black" people.

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I reject this falsehood. For one, many generations have passed from the period of Abraham to Solomon and Makeda. There are those who claim that Solomon was white and if Hebrew means descendant of Eber then how can one then claim the Falasha as "Original" when they come much later than the biblical Jacob (Israel) himself..

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The Falasha were converts to the religion of Solomon and Makeda, the alleged Queen of Sheba was not familiar with the "Hebrew" religion.

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Your statement is contrary to what even the Ethiopians believe that is contained in the Kebra Negast.

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I suggest you provide evidence that proves the Falasha as "Original Hebrews"...

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Furthermore...they were called "strangers" because they were "strange" to the beliefs of the indigenous Ethiopians who had converted from Khemitic belief to Orthodox Christianity during the reign of King Ezana..even to this day the vast majority of Ethiopians do not claim to be Falasha and only a remnant remain, principally in the Gondar region..

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Queen Makeda, the legendary Sheba, founded the Kingdom of Axum and at no time was the Hebrew religion the principal religion of Axum..

Akheneton1 · (#6 (**permalink**))

Omaar wrote:

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Omowale

If you define an African as "one born in Africa" what about those of African ancestry who are not born in Africa?

They aren't African.

Furthermore, do you have any primary souce material which is evidence to the statement that "he was a brown skinned Hebrew"?

I present to you exhibit A:

These are the original Hebrews of Ethiopia who are called Falasha "strangers" because they migrated down to a foreign land.

Is their skin BLACK or BROWN?

Literally, their skin is brown, but the Beta Israel ( 'Falasha' is considered pejorative ) are Black African people. I agree the original Hebrews were brown skinned Semites. (non-Black) Arabs and (original) Hebrewsare from the Middle East, they are not Black/African people. The word 'Hebrew' itself probablymeans 'to cross over' and refers to Semetic people crossing the Euphrates river or it could mean 'the dusty ones' the tribe that came across the desert. I did read that the Afro Asiatic language familyoriginated in N.E Africa and began to diverge around the 8th millenium B.C.E although the exact date and place is debatable. In Arabic, the word 'Arab' is derived from i'rab meaning 'those who speak clearly'. I think the original Arabs are descended from the Bedu tribes of the Arabian desert, I don't know.

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An African is someone from an African ethnic group ( Wolof, Yoruba, Bemba, Nubian, Oromo, Akan etc. ). People of African descent in the Western hemisphere are not African, I agree.

Omowalejabali · (#7 (**permalink**))

Akheneton1 wrote:

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Omaar wrote:

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Omowale

If you define an African as "one born in Africa" what about those of African ancestry who are not born in Africa?

They aren't African.

Furthermore, do you have any primary souce material which is evidence to the statement that "he was a brown skinned Hebrew"?

I present to you exhibit A:

These are the original Hebrews of Ethiopia who are called Falasha "strangers" because they migrated down to a foreign land.

Is their skin BLACK or BROWN?

Literally, their skin is brown, but the Beta Israel ( 'Falasha' is considered pejorative ) are Black African people. I agree the original Hebrews were brown skinned Semites. (non-Black) Arabs and (original) Hebrewsare from the Middle East, they are not Black/African people. The word 'Hebrew' itself probablymeans 'to cross over' and refers to Semetic people crossing the Euphrates river or it could mean 'the dusty ones' the tribe that came across the desert. I did read that the Afro Asiatic language familyoriginated in N.E Africa and began to diverge around the 8th millenium B.C.E although the exact date and place is debatable. In Arabic, the word 'Arab' is derived from i'rab meaning 'those who speak clearly'. I think the original Arabs are descended from the Bedu tribes of the Arabian desert, I don't know.

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An African is someone from an African ethnic group ( Wolof, Yoruba, Bemba, Nubian, Oromo, Akan etc. ). People of African descent in the Western hemisphere are not African, I agree.

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So you are telling me that even though my Grandfather was "Ethiopian" and my ancestors came from Senegal, Dahomay and Mali now somehow I am NOT an African?

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If so, this thinking goes totally against what we have been taught by Kwame Nkrumah, Sekou Toure, Cheikh anta Diop, Marcus Garvey, W.E.B. DuBois and countless others...

Omowalejabali · (#8 (**permalink**))

Omaar wrote:

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An Arab is a descendant of Ishmael.

A Hebrew is a descendant of Eber.

An African is one born in Africa.

One thing that bothers me in particular is this: If the biblical Ab-Ra-Ham was a Black Hebrew and his "concubine" Hagar was an Egyptian and they bore a son named Ishmael who is the progenitor of the "Arab race" doesn't this mean that Arabs are Black-Hebrew-African alike? since Ishmael was also raised by Keturah, an Ethiopian, why then are "Arabs" somehow viewed as non-Black and non-African by other

Abraham wasn't a BLACK Hebrew, he was a brown skinned Hebrew with dark skin but different features than us of African decent.

Hagar was Black though.

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True Arabs ARE Egyptian and Hebrew mixed, but most of the people calling themselves Arab today aren't true Arabs. They just adopted the culture when they accepted Islam and started calling themselves Arab.

That's why the Arabs of Sudan look different from the Arabs in Lebanon.

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Is this an Indigenous Black Pharaoh or

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brown-skinned Hebrew named "Moses"

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as modern Egyptologists claim?

Mezmerized · (#9 (**permalink**))

This thread is giving me a ****ing head ache!blkwonder

Akheneton1 · (#10 (**permalink**))

Omowalejabali wrote:

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Omowale

If you define an African as "one born in Africa" what about those of African ancestry who are not born in Africa?

They aren't African.

Furthermore, do you have any primary souce material which is evidence to the statement that "he was a brown skinned Hebrew"?

I present to you exhibit A:

These are the original Hebrews of Ethiopia who are called Falasha "strangers" because they migrated down to a foreign land.

Is their skin BLACK or BROWN?

Literally, their skin is brown, but the Beta Israel ( 'Falasha' is considered pejorative ) are Black African people. I agree the original Hebrews were brown skinned Semites. (non-Black) Arabs and (original) Hebrewsare from the Middle East, they are not Black/African people. The word 'Hebrew' itself probablymeans 'to cross over' and refers to Semetic people crossing the Euphrates river or it could mean 'the dusty ones' the tribe that came across the desert. I did read that the Afro Asiatic language familyoriginated in N.E Africa and began to diverge around the 8th millenium B.C.E although the exact date and place is debatable. In Arabic, the word 'Arab' is derived from i'rab meaning 'those who speak clearly'. I think the original Arabs are descended from the Bedu tribes of the Arabian desert, I don't know.

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An African is someone from an African ethnic group ( Wolof, Yoruba, Bemba, Nubian, Oromo, Akan etc. ). People of African descent in the Western hemisphere are not African, I agree.

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So you are telling me that even though my Grandfather was "Ethiopian" and my ancestors came from Senegal, Dahomay and Mali now somehow I am NOT an African?

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If so, this thinking goes totally against what we have been taught by Kwame Nkrumah, Sekou Toure, Cheikh anta Diop, Marcus Garvey, W.E.B. DuBois and countless others...

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You're grandfather was from Ethiopia? That might be different. All I know is Black Americans as an ethnic group have nothing to do with us beyond race, they are not Africans, they are Black Westerners.

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I found Sekou Toure on this list http://www.ssn.flinders.edu.au/global/africa/marcroberts/body.htm, Kwame Nkrumah declared himself 'president for life' but his good outweights his bad and he should be remembered as a hero and I don't think Nyerere should be there.

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Is this an Indigenous Black Pharaoh or

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brown-skinned Hebrew named "Moses"

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as modern Egyptologists claim?

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Yes, Moses was a Hebrew and Akhenaten was an Egyptian ( maybe I should research more about the people I name myself afer, did I spell his name wrong? ). What does Akhenaten have to do w/ Moses? Is that a crack at me?What proof or reason do you have to think the original Hebrews were Black ( just wondering )

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