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I ask this because i have been backstabbed so many times by people i thought were my "friends".....after about 4-5 years building up a friendship; all it taken was one stupid incident to end it like that...
Just think about it; an enemy you know where one chills, associates with, and all the tatics they use. So you can keep a close eye on them. However, with friends you are innocently leting them in your yards, life, and letting them know nearly everything about you which i find equally as dangerous. Think about all the celebrties who's secrets have been let out by people they "trusted" but soon went to the press!!!! thats why i ask the question:
Are friendships worth it, or is it best just to be aquaintances?
Do you trust people, more in the past, or the same?
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I don't view it as a loss if someone I've known for a long time is willing to fall out with me over some trivial nonsense. The way I see it, that proves to me that they were never really my friends to begin with. People like that do you a favour when they're out your life. You really learn who your true friends are when sh*t hits the fan.
It's hard to trust people nowadays because the loyalty element isn't there like it was even 10 years ago. I've got my own circle of friends I've known for years and we're all down from each other. They've been there when I've gone thru all kinds of sh*t in the past to when I had my child. Likewise I've been there for them when they've gone through madness. We disagree sometimes but at least we settle things like men and don't just throw away years of friendship over bullsh*t.
Apart from that, I got numerous aquaintances both here and abroad. But ultimately it's all about me and my family.
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11-10-05, 03:45 PM
good friendships are precious, and for me essential.
bad ones - need to be discovered quickly and got rid of.
but yes of course you should have friends, but you just have to make sure you choose them wisely!
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I ask this because i have been backstabbed so many times by people i thought were my "friends".....after about 4-5 years building up a friendship; all it taken was one stupid incident to end it like that...
Just think about it; an enemy you know where one chills, associates with, and all the tatics they use. So you can keep a close eye on them. However, with friends you are innocently leting them in your yards, life, and letting them know nearly everything about you which i find equally as dangerous. Think about all the celebrties who's secrets have been let out by people they "trusted" but soon went to the press!!!! thats why i ask the question:
Are friendships worth it, or is it best just to be aquaintances?
Do you trust people, more in the past, or the same?
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I think they are definitely worth but it can just take time to find out who your true friends really are. I agree too that if so called friends want to let minor things spoil what you thought was a strong relationship, it's time to think again.
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12-10-05, 12:28 AM
@Prince Hakeem:I don't view it as a loss if someone I've known for a long time is willing to fall out with me over some trivial nonsense.
But what if you, thought you had a good relationship with this person! trusted them and thought a good solid friendship was getting stronger as the days went by?
The way I see it, that proves to me that they were never really my friends to begin with.
After all those years, you fount out that person/people meant nothing all along!!!! would this change your opinion on future freindships?
People like that do you a favour when they're out your life. You really learn who your true friends are when sh*t hits the fan.
This is this the point i'm trying to make, is friendship really that worth it; in a selfish, self-centred, materialistic word today?
It's hard to trust people nowadays because the loyalty element isn't there like it was even 10 years ago.
Well i'm 17 and 10 years ago i was 7, so i wouldn't know about friendship that much back than....but i do know about "crews" and loyalty that is nothing nowadays!!! not just crews i have had extremly bad expriences from, people who are meant to be "family" friends!!!!!!
got my own circle of friends I've known for years and we're all down from each other.
Are you sure that, EVEN through anything that might happen they will be there for you. e.g if you played the lottery and won lets say ÂŁ1.5 million; and left it one of your friends house....do you think they would give it you back or keep it?
hey've been there when I've gone thru all kinds of sh*t in the past to when I had my child. Likewise I've been there for them when they've gone through madness.
Thats good, but not always the case for everyone, look at my above scenorio (sp) tell me what you think?
We disagree sometimes but at least we settle things like men and don't just throw away years of friendship over bullsh*t.
Sorting problems over minor things is good, but what if something big happened? would they still see all the years of "friendship" you've had?
Apart from that, I got numerous aquaintances both here and abroad. But ultimately it's all about me and my family.
Even within families, trust can be an issue, so what about "friends"?
@Miss Brighter Days: good friendships are precious, and for me essential.
Essential, explain more please; as i'm a bit confused?
bad ones - need to be discovered quickly and got rid of.
But how do you know the ones who you think are "good" aren't really bad (coverty)?
but yes of course you should have friends, but you just have to make sure you choose them wisely!
But in the type of world we live in today, it is hard to fine a "good" friends; do you think your friends would backstabb you for better career opportunties, money, or to better themselves somehow?
@Maat- think they are definitely worth but it can just take time to find out who your true friends really are.
Well said, but what about when these "true" friends start to do things; and you start to think because you've known them for sometime, that they didn't mean it. What would you do than?
I agree too that if so called friends want to let minor things spoil what you thought was a strong relationship, it's time to think again.
Excatly, but what is a strong realtionship??
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Friends to me are as essential as breakfast. I am a people’s person and make acquaintances anywhere and everywhere not a big deal at all, if I actually put my mind to it I can go out there tomorrow and make three acquaintances that will be there for years like most people I guess... But friends? They have to be something special; i have to feel a connection in a spiritual level for me to call you a friend.
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Until two years ago, I had friends who I thought were everything, we were known as the triplets, we even had a promise to spend every New Years Eve together when we were young lol and we did for 7 years, even choose each other over boy friends and family. I loved these ladies and i still do but you know when i reached early 20's i started to develop different interests, and things that were important then became less so and the things we did i enjoyed very much a year before, i started to see as a waste of time and also started to become disillusioned with the things they did and people they hang with so i made a conscious decision to disassociate myself from them to some extent and I did.
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Don't get me wrong they are still my friends and still care and love them but right now….where i am and where I would like my life to go, they will never understand and to be frank I have no time or energy to try and explain to them why things need to be the way they are.
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Funny things is I was actually thinking about exact same thing recently and getting mad at myself for disassociating my self and what they think of me blah, but you know what i realized was that our friendship however great…. was actually based on a superficial wants and needs… for example best day out for us would be the three of us out shopping all day (and I mean all day and I definitely don’t mean East St lol), followed by having a manicure, pedicure etc and then getting all dolled up and going raving in the evening… all great if it wasn’t that we were all at uni and completely brass. **shakes head**
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Point is yes they were friends but might as well have been an acquaintance for little I knew about who they truly are. I don’t know if they think I disserted them or back stabbed them it definitely was never my intention, and if they really sat down and thought about it the way I have they will come to the same conclusion as I have.
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The friends i have now? Well they are everything, they are my sisters, my support group, my friends who I can trully be my self with no appology for what and who i am… they don’t care if my hair looks crease or my nails look mash up or I look ****ed up… they/I don’t care… they take me and I them the way we are and more importantly……… politically we echo each other. It’s very important to me right now as the oppressed African people my friends and I have a common goal and are working to support each other in reaching that goal which is to become free mentally and physically ower.
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I can't say what will happen in the future and if my life should take a different direction i am sure my current friends will still be a part of it just like my older friends are a part of it but in a different way.
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Yes I am a person who to some extent lives for the moment and don’t stress to much on shit that happens that I have NO control over, But one thing i am sure of is that true friends may temporarily take a leave of absence from you but will never ever disappear from you for good, backstab you or do anything they are sure would cause pain and suffering for you and yours. Never.
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Friends to me are as essential as breakfast. I am a people’s person and make acquaintances anywhere and everywhere not a big deal at all, if I actually put my mind to it I can go out there tomorrow and make three acquaintances that will be there for years like most people I guess... But friends? They have to be something special; i have to feel a connection in a spiritual level for me to call you a friend.
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Until two years ago, I had friends who I thought were everything, we were known as the triplets, we even had a promise to spend every New Years Eve together when we were young lol and we did for 7 years, even choose each other over boy friends and family. I loved these ladies and i still do but you know when i reached early 20's i started to develop different interests, and things that were important then became less so and the things we did i enjoyed very much a year before, i started to see as a waste of time and also started to become disillusioned with the things they did and people they hang with so i made a conscious decision to disassociate myself from them to some extent and I did.
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Don't get me wrong they are still my friends and still care and love them but right now….where i am and where I would like my life to go, they will never understand and to be frank I have no time or energy to try and explain to them why things need to be the way they are.
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Funny things is I was actually thinking about exact same thing recently and getting mad at myself for disassociating my self and what they think of me blah, but you know what i realized was that our friendship however great…. was actually based on a superficial wants and needs… for example best day out for us would be the three of us out shopping all day (and I mean all day and I definitely don’t mean East St lol), followed by having a manicure, pedicure etc and then getting all dolled up and going raving in the evening… all great if it wasn’t that we were all at uni and completely brass. **shakes head**
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Point is yes they were friends but might as well have been an acquaintance for little I knew about who they truly are. I don’t know if they think I disserted them or back stabbed them it definitely was never my intention, and if they really sat down and thought about it the way I have they will come to the same conclusion as I have.
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The friends i have now? Well they are everything, they are my sisters, my support group, my friends who I can trully be my self with no appology for what and who i am… they don’t care if my hair looks crease or my nails look mash up or I look f**ked up… they/I don’t care… they take me and I them the way we are and more importantly……… politically we echo each other. It’s very important to me right now as the oppressed African people my friends and I have a common goal and are working to support each other in reaching that goal which is to become free mentally and physically ower.
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I can't say what will happen in the future and if my life should take a different direction i am sure my current friends will still be a part of it just like my older friends are a part of it but in a different way.
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Yes I am a person who to some extent lives for the moment and don’t stress to much on shit that happens that I have NO control over, But one thing i am sure of is that true friends may temporarily take a leave of absence from you but will never ever disappear from you for good, backstab you or do anything they are sure would cause pain and suffering for you and yours. Never.
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I COULDN'T SLEEP, CAN'T BELIEVE I'M ON HERE DIS TIEM OF DA MORNING ...
....and plse don't delete Abs! Well said..
Everyone comes into your life either for a reason, season or lifetime.. I believe that when we find ourselves in any bad situation, it is meant to teach us a lesson (Rather than ask why did this happen to me, ask yourself what is your Life is telling you about where your at, and who you hang with or what you value? What could you learn from what's happened? How can you take that forward and use it positively..) So that you can learn from it, take knowledge of lesson learnt, and apply to new people/new situations..
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@Maat- think they are definitely worth but it can just take time to find out who your true friends really are.
Well said, but what about when these "true" friends start to do things; and you start to think because you've known them for sometime, that they didn't mean it. What would you do than?
I agree too that if so called friends want to let minor things spoil what you thought was a strong relationship, it's time to think again.
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If the "true" friends start do do disagreeable things you just check the situation and that's what makes you realise that they couldn't have been true. If you were the friend you needed to be to them and have invested a lot of time into the relationship, it's easy to assume that they will be the same but youdon't know how they view the relationship until they switch. It's a blow you have to take but learn from it in order not to get hurt again.
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I've found that the big test is with honesty. Sometimes even when it is said in the simplest of ways the other person find's it offensive, but true friend should be ok with the truth. Things get mixed up then when the person closes up and doesn't want to talk through whatever the problem is, you know it's gone...
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I've had my friendship thrown back in my face several times to the point where I'm completely baffled as to what hapened. You know what though I still appreciate what I had with those people and don't feel it necessary to forget the person all together. It doesn't make sense. They to me still have many good qualities that made me like them in the first place.
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As you get older you realise that there aren't many people you can really be yourself with so you select your friends carefully but keep your guard about you until you feel comfortable. A strong relationship has to be where you and the other person/people can be yourselves. Having to keep up an appearance for the sake of others does the most injustice to YOU not them. There is a lot to be said for the tests in time that you and they will go through (and trust me you will), where you will see proof that they have your back. If you feel they have done wrong though telling them is better than resenting them for it.
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@Abissinia: So true. It's mad howthe relationshipschange as time goes on. Who knows what group of people we'll be associating with 2 years from nowconfused3
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try and keep your head up. I know how you feel as I had a very good friend who I met at uni and had known coming up to nine years and I havent heard from her in almost a year. We used to see each other at least once or twice a year as she lived out of London but she stopped returning my calls & txts and our mutual male friend who is closer to her has also stopped contact.
I think it all started when I told her something personal around two years ago and she briefly stopped speaking to me. I guess she judged me and she is also a very secretive person who didnt tell me shameful things that she had done or was doing until ages after the event or if she was really in trouble at the time and needed to speak. I am quite hurt by her disappearance, especially as the last text she sent last year said she had found a job in London so she must be nearer me now!!this girl used to sleep at my house, i drove miles to visit her, we went raving in uni, she introduced me to my daughter's dad and now nothing...
But as Abissinia said maybe she feels she has grown out of the friendship... it is hurtful that someone can just forget so many years but that is life. I am not that good at keeping in touch with friends either but I have never left it a whole year as I think about the person and feel guilty at night eventually til I have to call them.
You are very young and you will meet new friends all the time. I have so many different friends and groups of acquaintances but I wouldn't say any of them are my best friend. My mum taught me to be very wary of who you let into your life as people can be very deceitful and dangerous. When my dad was ill my parents really found out who their true friends were and the people who they had helped the most and run up and down for weresome ofthe ones that stopped coming round and vice versa the ones who they weren't that close to turned out to be angels...
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