Reasons why we shouldn't use "white unity" as a model for our own unity....

The Mighty Mos Def · (#1 (**permalink**))

Timeline wrote:

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I've observed many blacks speak of white unity and how much whites have achieved through uniting and if blacks united like that....look at how much we would be able to achieve.

Even though white dominance is prevelant during these times, I think it is important to realize what is "holding" them together. It is the oppression of other groups, the obvious lowered quality of life and respect from being "non-white" that draws many to comfortably rest under the umbrella of "white unity." Without the threat of being oppressed or treated badly for being nonwhite, many whites would have no reason to fight to be considered white and identify as white. Race itself can be proven to be a social construct if we look at history and how many groups have been politically moved under the label "white" over the years...i.e. jews, greeks.

Even under the lable white there is conflict as to who the "real" whites are. Even though politics have moved more groups under the label "white," a time when such groups weren't "white" has not been completely forgotten. Eastern Europeans are viewed as culturally inferior to a more industrialized Western Europe. While southern europeans aren't even seen as being truly white. Again, what seemingly holds them together is not unity in it's pure sense, but the threat of being viewed as BELOW white which is essentially the threat of a lower quality life. Fear of being considered nonwhite is the glue that appears to be white unity.

They are united because of the oppression of other races. It is not a unity to be emulated. For to achieve it would require us to BECOME our oppressors...[line]So, what are we to do, Timeline? Remain in our current condition? Wait for a 'change to come?' Play by the rules, which are set by our oppressors? No, I believe in proactive action and aggressive reaction to being knocked down.

"Equality," in its truest sense, seems to be a utopian ideal at best; so, starting from that premise: I don't 'dream' of being 'hand in hand' or 'all men being equal,' no, I realize the course of history suggests that there is only room for one 'top dog,' and I prefer my people be considered that 'top dog.'

Unless humanity, as a whole, undergoes a giant change in philosophy and behavior, we'll have no choice but to attempt to shift the current racial construct in our favor; race, as we know it, simply won't disappear.

There are only three solutions to our current state, in my opinion, they are:

1) Isolate ourselves away from the problem.

2) Rid ourselves of the impetus of the problem.

3) Shift the problem, from being ours, to being theirs.

We must decide which solution is feasible and, ultimately, best. Recently, I've been told that true isolation is nearly impossible. Okay. Recently, I've read that the second solution is deplorable; we shouldn't talk about it, let alone consider it, in the first place. Okay. So, that leaves us with either option number 3 or continued inaction, which means stagnation, which means accepting what we already have: little. I choose option 3, if someone has to be on the bottom, I would prefer it not be my people.

Mezmerized · (#2 (**permalink**))

Timeline...you know i had writen like a LONG response to you...then i realised one thing: The world of humans, like that of the Animal kingdoms is about survival of the fitest....and the most RUTHLESS hunters is always the one who dines well! Its a natural order Timeline....you cannot change it, you cannot fight it....we once ruled the world, but it was also during the time when we ruled RUTHLESLY over our teritory.....I do NOT believe in a Utopia......but if there is one thing i know, the world is only ruled at interval times by those who are RUTHLESS enough to protect their own interests regardless...and once Africans grasp this, it would be the begining of our revival as world players.

Its so simple....i don't know why we think its a white unity "concept"...its human nature.....its not about us BECOMING like our opressors, you are now giving whites TOO much props here.

White people did not just wake up one day and realised that they were racist loonies who needed to rob the rest of the world of their riches. NO

Its what their CONDITION required! Again, this brings me back to the survival of the fitest and ruthless....they realised that they had to be more coniving if they were to survive in their conditioning....so their behaviour of opression is NOT nessecarily white behaviour, its just the way MOST intelligent people have been conditioned to react to their condition and situations.

And the day that the black race would grasp this concept, is the day we will smell the sweet aroma of true hunting!

Masai05 · (#3 (**permalink**))

Whites are United? What was the Cold War about? Or How about the entire IRA thing, Yugoslavia?

I think real Unity is a Mirage. Working together with differences is feasible, once we drop this "We are the world tirade" we'll be better off. I like how Farrakhan put it! $$ trade and more. The Truth is that violence, hunger a plight brings us together but once the smoke clears we fall back into the nonsense.

The piece that is most sensible is to trade, share technology and to support each others businesses. There are no other ways!

N.A.T. · (#4 (**permalink**))

Timeline, I totally agree with you, but in simple words you could have said white unity is based around the massacre, raping and pillage of other oppressed peoples of the world. African unity does not need to be based around this. Infact at this stage African unity is based around us defending ourselves from white power. Africans have enough resources, we dont need to come together to pillage other people and rape them off their resources, we need to come together to protect other races from raping us off our resources.

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safetyblitz · (#5 (**permalink**))

Actually when you think about it NAT, why not? WHy do we continually have to be the good guys?

VerraGoChe · (#6 (**permalink**))

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safetyblitz · (#7 (**permalink**))

I was just BSing LOL Still since others have oppressed their way to conquering the world, still though we should give it a logical thought if anything.

Pele · (#8 (**permalink**))

Weneed notunity............Not yet............Just take care of your immediate family..........Stop them drinking til they die, f*cking and having bast...... kids, standing in the streets and asking for pennies, saying school is not for them...................just being............sh*t.....

CashMoney · (#9 (**permalink**))

great reply @ mesmerized, you stole the words out of my mouth

I too dont believ in that utopia bullshit that people push

FredB · (#10 (**permalink**))

@Timeline this is an excellent set of observation and important issue. I think there is a tendency for many to confuse general observations about power, structures, society and culture and their fundamental prerequisities and specific differences which are found manifest in different cultures, ethnic groups and race.

If you examine human society anthropologically, culturally or historically or their organisations you will see how human societies evolve in similar but fundamentally different ways. Let me illustrate. All human societies or shall I say most are characterised by male dominance and that is based on very obvious things largely child birth. Women have them men don't. However that manifests in different ways creating greater conflict or oppression or great collaboration or complementarity and even over-lap eg shared roles. For example African societies had the first women armies and the most, including elite royal guards eg the King of Dahommey or the Shakan female armies.

Euro-Asian societies for the most part being more orientated to acute dominance and African based culture which are far more flexible in most areas. This illustrate different cultural orientation, despite a universal structural logical and instrumentality in shaping societies.

Equally unification for power has nothing to do with white people but a simple logic of organisational power and coordination which is understood universally. You cannot build advance civilisations or large super states without these conditions. And remember we had the largest and advanced mega states and we did not get them by simply turning up and finding them empty. Our armies invaded and imposed our will on this places. In fact you or I may have well come from those who were having our land invaded by these foreigners.

We were an imperial power for almost 6, 000 years controling the whole of Northern and lower Northerm parts of Africa and as far as the Middle East and in other directions towards India. Shaka's little Empire swalled the whole of Europe six times if not more. Nevermind the West African Empires of Songhay, Mali and Ancient Ghana. Yes we brought advance civilisation education and science, but I am sure the inhabitants of the regions we took over in war would have prefered staying as they were.

So it is very interesting how so many of our people seem to have a victim personae and confuse the specifics of white behaviour with the generality of power and dominance. In order to understand these things we have to seperate political dominance from whiteness and white cultural psychology and there are very important differences.

Look at slavery a universal institution. If I beat you in war it stands to reason you are my slave. I am not going to release you to re-arm and come again and stab me when I am rolling about with my wife. However how one treats a slave is shaped by the cultural psychology of the capturer. How hard I work you is shaped by my general cultural outlook on how you treat people or human beings or whether I see you as a human being at all. The kind of violent and sexual depravity found in Arab and white slavery of Africans is completely absent in the treatment of African slaves by Africans.

Neither did it share the size and scale being quite small and local. Slave more often not were released with a warning, bring your black arse around here and I'll fix you properly, or let free and married into powerful families or set up their own. Study many of the great military leaders of African history they came from other peoples eg tribes or regions. However it must be noted if you were a slave during the building of the Great Pyramids and stuff, life was not easy because those big arse stones weighed tons. These things need armies of slave labour.

Put it this way if we were as hostile to outsiders we would never be in this mess in the first place, because the first cracker who showed up would have got it good. Compare the reception we gave them or the Native American Indian gave them, compared to the Japanese who were calling out the Samurai to confront what they called 'skin-less devils'...

So we cannot be white people because we are not white people. Check this until recently in the US the amount of black males arrested for sexual offenses was minimal compared to white males. And when you examine the whole range of sexual offences including the psychopat serial killers black men are not represented, exactly the same for blacks in Britain. Because even white women have been arrested for some really sick stuff as accomplices.

The funny thing is given all we know about psychology we would expect given the dislocation and damage done to us that we should be represented in those stats, but we are not. The typical FBI profile of a psychotic sexual serial killer is a white male. We produce less numbers of males who have literal hatred to the point of pathological violence then they do.

Now we do have people who really mess up the script. Some African rulers who have played murderous tribal and other games killing god knows how many. But fortunately they are still a very small minority of all African corrupt leaders who kill very few at all and a post colonial phonemeonon and a product of those dyanamic in almost every case eg Rwanda, Europeans power up to their eyes balls pulling strings.

Look in most Caribbean countries with their governments again very little violence outside Jamaica and Haiti. Again relatively small numbers. Here you have dominance often by apathy and the view of little serious alternative.

So without being complacent. I think we need to give African/black people much credit for who we are. Similar to all human beings, but very different in important ways and we hope work to extend those difference through our morals, ethics and leadership standards.

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umbrarchist · (#11 (**permalink**))

I fundamentally agree with this because the majority of White people are peasants being used by their own White power structure.

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