I saw a brilliant documentary on Cable about the BWF riot and as i live literally around the corner from the scene i was particulary interested and moved by the screening.

Even though i know it was wrong i couldnt help thinking to myself whilst watching...... 'GOOD' when they eventually reached the conclusion to how PC Blakelock was killed.

My feelings were because of the events which lead to Joy Gardeners death, how Winston Silcott was harrassed and framed and the general Police Brutality and racism.

Surprisingly Winston Silcott agreed on camera that he believes the killers should be punished. Again i know its wrong but i cant help disagreeing with him here and saying 'PC Blakelock got what was coming'

erm... Is this not one of those instances where a title's wordingcould be deemed somewhat...inflamatory? A bit of care is required when approaching such topics methinks...

But to answer your question, no police officer or any individualdeserves to die like that....

erm... Is this not one of those instances where a title's wordingcould be deemed somewhat...inflamatory? A bit of care is required when approaching such topics methinks...

Maybe but somehow i dont see another BWF riot emerging from it and Blacknet mods can always change it if they wish.

@ Le Moor

Not quite with you here. So my automatic response would have to be No! confused3

What leads you to the the conclusion that 'he deserved to die'?

I know little of him except that he was a policeman with a family who got killed during the Tottenham riots. I certainly have nothing on him which leads me to think his death was 'deserved'. Was he an all round baddie or something?

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@Le Moor greetings and happy New Year. Do you mind if I suggest this is a dead discussion or has potentially little scope. The question as posed I think is not helpful. Does anybody deserve to die? That is not a public discussion and we need to have the political maturity to know that by now. No diss meant bro.

Bro discussions posed in that raw way are held only in your most intimate and tight circles. Even if you are in group of say a hundred known radicals or so you still do not have that kind of discussion, because that is not intimate. I have never had that discusion with my wife or will ever. I would not want to legally implicate a woman I am legally and morally sworn to protect.

Winston Sillcott was framed and due legal process did not exist, that does not mean between us he did not kill my man. Many of us know better. Sillcott is only doing was is poltically correct and I would do the same even if I was the man sent to do the enemy in question.

Come on people lets get with the programme and start learning for god knows how many hundreds or years of experience. Gerry Adams who I rate big time of the IRA was divisional Commander. Do you think he got that job because of his intellectual brillance as a thinker or Republican historian or communicator? Sure, but he was a masterful military leader who killed the enemy for fun and led by example, along with his bredrin Martin (second in command) McGuiness. These men (study their speeches) do not go in public and play god and say who deserves to die and not, those are private deliberations.

Peace.

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@ Sir Fred B ........happy new yearto you too. No offence taken afterall this is a discussion board is it not?.

As i understood it Blacknet has always been a place to express ones self. If recent events in a place where people talk funny have changed this then i will have to come into line.

If thats not the case i stand by merelyexpressing myself.

Le moor: I've changed the title of this thread because it is not appropriate and is in my view a dead end question....I think a more interesting proposition would be to ask if one would inform the police now, if they knew for definate who killed PC blacklock... Or did Africans(blacks) benefit from the BWF uprisings if so how? and lastly Were the uprisings Justified on reflection or could we have made our voices heard in other ways...

@ Le Moor

No it was not obvious. I thought you meant that there was something specific about Blackelock which deemed it 'justifiable' that he should die, other than the mere fact he was a policeman.

So are you then claiming 'guilt by association'? In other words he, and therefore other policemen no doubt, deserve to die by virtue of the fact that they are the 'police' and the 'police' did terrible things to our people?

On that principle you can then say all white people deserve to die for what 'white' people did to black people (slavery and the like) can you not?


Sorry, this would be a dangerous precedent to sign up to in my book. I am certainly no fan of the 'police' as an institution for some of the stuff it (the institution) stands for when it comes to the 'crimes' against African people in this country. However, I am a long way away from saying 'police deserve to die because they are.......well, simply 'police'.

How far do we take this concept? Do we kill the family, wives and children of policemen ('guilty by association)?

Do we kill white women andbabies at birth (and yeah that was done big time to our ancestors in white man's push to take control of Africa)? But do we now do it because after all, they are all guiltyby association?

Being a 'policemen' in of itself is not a crime I deem punishable by death. Being an evil, sadistic, brutalising b*st*rd (whatever your genre) on the other hand..................well that's a different story.

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In order to answer this modified question, I'd like to ahve seen the same documentary that Le Moor watched. Where did you see it and on which channel...?

@Lovedaddy i think it called the Uk Documentary channel (Telewest)

@Backatya. I think you have now crossed over in taken your conclusions to the riduculous.

People are only humun and after watching the documentary defensive emotions naturally would be aroused. If you saw how the documentary brilliantly reenactedJoy Gardener death, also an individual's deatha few weeks before herandthen seen the real footage of the thousands of police in riot uniforms descending on the farm, you should be able empathise with the question in hand.

I have statedearlier it was wrong to feel that a death as such is justified. However im also stating im human and expressed i could not help but feel a policeman that night ( not any other night) got what was coming to him.

(@ Kunj) however in light of this, this dissussion could have a more positive focus with different direction-agreed.

@ Le Moor

Maybe you should explain the point of this thread to me then, because I am totally lost as to what you are looking for hereconfused3

I thought you were putting forward the premise that PC Blakelock 'deserved' to die (in your opinion) because of the sins of the police with the way they treated black people back then. I gathered your 'emotions' on the issue arose from watching the documentary you referred to.Have I got that wrong?

So fair enough, your 'only being human' instincts were aroused by the memories evoked by the documentary and led you to the conclusion that Blackelock (as a policemen) deserved what he 'had coming' (as a policemen) to him.

I commenced to debate the premise put forward in your comments. Sorry, were you just looking for a simple Yes or No to your original question. I put forward my reasoningas towhy:

a) I didn't agree with the notion that 'he deserved to die by virtue of being a policeman. and

b) I thought the 'principle' represented in your premise was dangerous and not one I could subscribe to.

Did I do wrong?

I even went on to empathise the basis of my thinking by applying the 'apparent' principle put forward in your premise to the wider issue of 'white people in general'.

Pray tell, what exactly is it you find so problematic with my take on this?

Did I miss something and was it really the case that you wanted to discussyour 'only-being-human' feelingsarising from seeing the documentary, that on that night (and that night only), this policeman deserved to die?

Was this not a debating thread after all?

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