Colonial minded ??? - Page 2

Le Moor · (#26 (**permalink**))

@Blackmatta

I wont bother trying to discect that electronic diarrhea you've just published, however if CM felt i was insincere earlier, then he wouldnt have acknowledged me with a gesture of grattitude. He obviously took my words in the genuine content they were intend for, not the fallacy your so desperately trying to create. I personally couldnt give a rats arse what your perception is.

Ive said all i have tosay on this matter. If you still cannont see the error of your words then you never will.

Bredder Tukoma · (#27 (**permalink**))

Well I think this is a non subject. If I watch European football in preference to African does it mean that one is subtlety affected by racial dynamics? What about if you watch Eastenders in preference to the Real McCoy// is there some hidden implication in that?

As has already been stated popular sport is a social construct to ally peoples minds elsewhere. Whites have been tribalistic in their following of football teams for years..

And watching African its impossible (for me anyway) not to see the racial dynamics at play like you do with any football game. Most of the teams have a white coach.. Which is saying what? That white people run tings and the black minions can succeed if they follow white rule. The European commentators always have a paternal view of black players..whether in Africa or Europe.. so what the hell does it matter whether its Euro or African football you watch..

Personally from a footballing point of view I think that the fact that the tournament is every two years detracts the interest level anyway...

Sometimes these things are over analysed to the point of paraonia.

Le Moor · (#28 (**permalink**))

@BlackMatta

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jett Black · (#29 (**permalink**))

Can we call a time-out on this sword fight please.Ithankew.

Anyway I never used to watch any footy until I came to this country,Basketball waas the thing I use to lose my mind over to the point where vains used to pop in my fore-head.

Now I do watch some footy but only the high stakes high drama ones like Eurowotever and World Cup,all the other games dont realy hold my interest.

I wasnt even aware Cash of the games you are talking about til you brought them up in this thread.

I will now have to seek them out so I can ogle their thighs!

Mokele Mbembe · (#30 (**permalink**))

Mansamusa

yesterday the BBC took the piss.

They mentioned all the white french managers and said they bring some much needed "european organisational skills" to the african teams. I could hardly believe my naive little ears!

Bredder Tukoma · (#31 (**permalink**))

DM

When dont they take the piss? I tell you I was watching Garth Crooks the other day in the studio with the ex manager of Togo.. and they were talking about the disruption to the team prior to the game because of one prima donna (cant remember his name) anyway..while Garth was prattling on about how many African countries have their leaders picking the team / only in Africa etc etc.. while the ex manager was shaking his head paternalistically... to his credit the presenter pulled Garth up and said.. hold on look at the shennanigans with Sven... what must the Togolese say about English football....

I bet there is a fair few people who cant take the commentry and switch of from african football for that very reason.. same reason I rarely watch programs of Egypt on TV.. or some brothers cant watch roots...makes the blood boil..

What relevance watching African football or Euro football holds to meis worth a hill of beans.

Mokele Mbembe · (#32 (**permalink**))

Mansamusa

Do what I do from now on and watch it with the sound off.

I got this from watching boxing. I hate listening to commentators whose view of fights differs wildly from my own. Then when I add up my score at the end it's always something else to their guesstimated one.

Besides Andy Gray on Sky, I don't rate a single commentator out there. They are all biased, see things, miss things and chat endless wafle which annoys me.

I was exposed to that diatribe about french managers because my music went off at that time.

I can't give up watching football, I can watch Iran play Hondorus if I feel like it so obviously the african nations means more. I dunno about what CM is saying. When african nations is on, all my friends are phoning each other back and forth laughing and jibing each other over results and gossiping. It's fun and moreso because it's us and it's relevant.

I just need to halt the commentary and save myself.

Bredder Tukoma · (#33 (**permalink**))

Mansamusa

Do what I do from now on and watch it with the sound off.

Good advice. Only problem is you miss out on the hornsman all the Africanteams seem to havein the crowd. They play some nice tunes.....

DSP · (#34 (**permalink**))

let's not forget to factor in that now many teams are penalizing/hindering African players for playing for their countries.

Peacemaker · (#35 (**permalink**))

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It was occuring to me whilst watching the Nigeria v Zimbabawe game ( by the way, how gangster is John Obi Mikel, and Zimbabwe got some good players) the lack of interest I have in this cup of nations.

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I have watched and will watch all of Nigerias game, and I did watch Cameroon v Angola( just to see how poor the team that knocked nigeria out were), but passed that, I havent watched or seen highlights of other games

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.But when watching the European champinship, man would watch the most abstract games with two wasteman countries. Not all of them , but certainly moreso then I would with two corresponding African sides

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Why is that?

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Is it Super Sunday on sky? Colonial mind, Poor crowds/officiating in African ties( the amount of 'offsides' have been ridicolous) or is it a combo of everything or something I am yet to mention

You're analyzing things to death.

It's familarity which encompasses more than you think, though includes most of what you've suggested.

My own personal reasonformy lack of interestis because the teams areshit or too alike. Probably because they have crap European managers for the most part so play likecrap European teams. That kills it for me anyway. Can't see how any African team expects to do well when the person running the team just sees it as another job in a foreign country.

Even theUSA teamhave their ownmanager, and look where it has got them.

Breadfruit · (#36 (**permalink**))

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newstyle · (#37 (**permalink**))

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@Breadfruit

Can your comments not be leveled at other forms of mass entertainment? Film, music, carnival?

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@newstyle

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But for me the Stadium and sporting events played in them, reflect an overt form of social control. I can't see how the huge expenditure of energies, of the usually poorer citizens of society, who celebrate the phenomenon,can be seen anydifferently.

I understand the "bread and circuses" allegation against football, but I think it more complicated then that. Without bringing out the oldcliches of uniting Nations, for some of us the cup of Nations and football in general, if you get to the world cup, allows the world to see a different aspect of your nation rather then just the old media stories of war, aids and poverty. Uniting Nations is a cliche but is true in may respects, what kind of pride and confidence does it give to an African nation that beats the world cup champions as did Cameroon in Italia 90 and Senegal in 2002? It would be preferable of course if nations came together of more important issues also, but to think of football to Africans as being frivolous I think would be a mistake.Also the likes of George Weah have shown it may be a platform for greater things and more practical ways of helping your Country.

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